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  Watchtower August leak: details from reddit user

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from reddit.. a summary of changes: .

  we are all sinners, so we have to be reasonable how we punish sinners.

  if elders and congregation do not quickly help someone come to be reinstated they would be imitating satan the devil, not jehovah (yes that actually is what is said in the tagalog version in translation!

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  They teach that apostates are to be hated.

  Watchtower 93 10/1

  When they deliberately choose such badness after knowing what is right, when the bad becomes so ingrained that it is an inseparable part of their makeup, then a Christian must hate (in the Biblical sense of the word) those who have inseparably attached themselves to the badness. True Christians share Jehovah’s feelings toward such apostates; they are not curious about apostate ideas. On the contrary, they “feel a loathing” toward those who have made themselves God’s enemies, but they leave it to Jehovah to execute vengeance.​—Job 13:16; Romans 12:19; 2 John 9, 10.

  This is their definition of an apostate from Reasoning in the Scriptures and they use the phrase many times.

  Definition: Apostasy is abandoning or deserting the worship and service of God, actually a rebellion against Jehovah God. Some apostates profess to know and serve God but reject teachings or requirements set out in his Word. Others claim to believe the Bible but reject Jehovah’s organization.

  This applies to anyone who leaves the organization and even applies to any JW who would be subject to their marking rules.

  They often differentiate between an apostate and an active apostate but under the definition they are one and the same.
  

  JWs have been taught to treat those who are d/fd, voluntarily left or marked in the same way so this article is going to confuse them. It appears that the August article will be telling them to view them differently.
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  BBC poor grammar - but FUNNY!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. social
  2. current

  "hamburg police shoot man with axe ahead of euros match.

  " https://www.bbc.co.uk/news.

  why don't german police just use guns?.

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  The editor used to be responsible for this.
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  They must also change the treatment of those who dissociate themselves from the JWs. It is inevitable

  by LaFrancia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from reddit ex jw, a user posted this material of a hypothetical new light on dissociated people......i'm posting it only for the record, nothing else is known.

  it seems that the topic has been deleted either by the moderators or by the user himself.

  understanding dissociation in light of the scriptures.

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  They’ve got a huge problem, this can’t be brushed off by claiming it was error.

  The one, main proof of being the true religion is by the love they have amongst each other.

  If they now get rid of their long held shunning policy then they are admitting that kicking out their own and shunning them was never the loving thing to do.
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  The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.

  perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.

  how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).

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  There’s a new religion which began in 2006. They’ve just built a meeting hall in Greenfields, Western Australia, completed in 2019.

  Their numbers are amazing.

  lt’s penticostal based and they claim 11,000 members in Western Australia as opposed to approximately 7,500 JWs.
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  The August 2024 Watchtower controversy and potential further changes

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  as an educated guess, the august 2024 watchtower may be delayed because 2 complicated subjects need to be discussed in this issue which haven't yet been approved to be included in the revised shepherding textbook.

  perhaps the revised shepherding textbook must be finalised before this watchtower is released publicly.. the 2 subjects may be as follows:.

  how to shepherd and appoint brothers based on the removal of the hour requirements, getting to know the brothers instead (does this mean prioritising appointing men who have auxiliary pioneered during the co visit and campaigns or men who are regular pioneers?).

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  The Watchtower would have had a lot of feedback about the changes in regards to those they have removed or disfellowshipped. The Elders don’t like visiting/harassing them because they only do it when there is a CO visit.

  It also takes a lot of time and requires two brothers.

  Now they’ve ramped up the number of visits, it’s a huge ask.

  It would make it easier if the Elders or Ms’s wife could go instead of the second male. It would cut their work, maybe by a third.

  Will the wife be allowed to talk to the dfd JWs, even though the rest of the congregation can’t?

  It’s not like this is a completely new position for the wives since they have been assisting Elders in visits in the past, particularly when it’s been more convenient, although they are not privy to discussions, I don’t think.
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  More JW Criminals Caught....

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/pirwhbyd4uy?si=x3awvyv4midux8es.

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  How important was it that Brumley’s name be cleared, resulting in the need for the Watchtower to appeal?

  Watchtower 75 8/1

  ” 23 In the first chapter of the book of Titus, Paul gave counsel as to what to look for in elders. One must be “free from accusation,” of unimpeachable qualities. No one may be able to point the finger at him as being of questionable personal traits. He must not be “self-willed” or overbearing; not “prone to wrath,” short-tempered; “not greedy of dishonest gain,” but, rather, outstandingly honest in his dealings inside and outside the congregation.​—Titus 1:6, 7; see also 1 Peter 5:2, 3.”

  There is no question that his dealings outside of the congregation have been found to be ‘outstandingly honest’ or free from accusation.
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  Telluric movements in the branch committees

  by Jalisco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  recently a gilead graduate from a latin american country told me that the gilead school now trains branch committee members rather than missionaries because there are centrifugal forces there... this made me remember a paragraph from a watchtower from years ago which i hang below.

  in confirmation of this, i have learned, in the few contacts that i have, that in athens there is a problem in the committee and they sent the coordinator of another branch.

  very recently, 2 members of the ecuador branch committee left and one left the organization and is an "apostate"..even though he graduated from gilead 8 months ago.. something is happening.... here's the paragraph that turned a red light on when i read it.... watchtower 11/2016 page 11. do we follow the instructions?11.

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  “Do I I’mediately obey and support the decisions of the men who direct the work?”

  There must be no thought about the rightness of any orders coming from men who are fallible and imperfect. These orders must be obeyed, immediately even if they don’t stand up to God’s standards of fairness, honesty, kindness and
  
  
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  WTS NEW USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL, SATELLITE ACCESS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://freshangleng.com/34262/how-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-are-making-content-available-to-people-with-limited-or-no-internet-access .

  satellite and others for those who cannot access internet!

  spread the word (ha).

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  Anonymous - @listener: then why do they lie about the cost and not simply say the program costs are $$...

  I'm with you about what you said.

  I couldn't understand whether you were saying that they were paying for them or not.

  No doubt the congregations that receive these feel guilted into donating money back to the Watchtower, especially when they put a dollar figure to it. And, as you point out, those figures have been inflated.
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  WTS NEW USE OF TECHNOLOGICAL, SATELLITE ACCESS

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://freshangleng.com/34262/how-jehovah%e2%80%99s-witnesses-are-making-content-available-to-people-with-limited-or-no-internet-access .

  satellite and others for those who cannot access internet!

  spread the word (ha).

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  Anony Mous -

  And from their website, they had sold a few thousand in 2020, this must be a great revenue stream.

  Who were they selling them to? In the JW link you provided, they are suggesting that they use donated money for these, not charging the congregation.
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  Crisis of Conscience

  by Freeatlast2024 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is my first time posting to this forum.

  let me start by saying i was born and raised as a jehovah’s witness.

  i’m thankful that i was raised this way, because i feel it protected me in some ways, especially with regard to moral issues.

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  Welcome

  I just want you to know you are not a bad person for questioning everything. In fact, you are in good company with a lot of people who love God and want to do what’s right.

  I'm not one, but there are many athiests on this website. They also like to do what is right.