Listener

Joined

• started 201 topics
• posted 4,952 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by Listener

• 
  16

  Really Important Watchtower News

  by scotoma in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  don't you hate these misleading headers.

  i usually wait a day to see if there are a significant number of posters to the page.. but just look at the number of visitors that click on these kinds of subjects.. it builds up really fast.. i don't mind the time factor (1 milisecond) clicking on a bogus "new-secret-this will bring the org crashing down" type of post, but i have to admit it is very disappointing.. .

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  It's also a reminder that we have posters who just love attention.
• 
  41

  Apostasy Trial - Part 5

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well part 5 was just put up on youtube!

  this is the third 45 minute segment of the 3+ hour meeting.

  topics covered include:.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  You left it at a cliff hanger. One elder so far has said he has never heard of the book - Crisis of Conscience. Amazing how these elders shield themselves from knowing anything other than what the WTBTS tells them. A ridiculous situation considering and as you pointed out that non-anointed write the Watchtower. Given that no writers are named we really don't know who wrote the articles. But these men are supposed to be shepperding the flock, how are they qualified to do that when they do not know all the facts (and deliberately avoid knowing them) regading their religion?

  Cosmo was very upset when you pointed out his error and was quick to tell YOU that YOU don't know what is in his mind or heart but God does know. I am anxious to see how they justify their judgement of you. How humbled he must have been when you said that it wasn't about him.

  Cosmo in all his righteousness and halo glowing states "I'm perfectly happy". Really, just how does he come to that feeling when he is being governed by an imperfect body? He is not simply happy but perfectly happy. Is this honesty or delusionary?

  Are they ever truthful and open at any stage as to where the initial accusations came from? I can't believe that the elder who is related to Walter said he would tell you honestly what Walter told him and basically all he said was that he was just concerned about you.

  The most moving part of this hearing was when you talked about everyone needing someone to talk to. It is just so true and here you were being 'hung, drawn and quartered' because of it. Where is the love and understanding in this organization?

  Your relationship with God will only develop more strongly but I am sad to hear about the damage that has occurred within your family relationship. You lovingly asked us to pray for the elders but I hope others (as I will) will pray for the extra strength that you need also. I don't doubt that these elders will use the same WTBTS standards to handle your wife although you may never know how or what transpired, besides I doubt you would approve of their behaviour in this regard.
• 
  38

  Do you think marrying an unbeliever could be a disfellowshipping offense in the future?

  by loading in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  any thoughts?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  I agree Searcher. Their biggest bug bear are apostates. The brazen conduct label can be used at any indication that a JW has read/heard or recieved any apostate information. It will also be easier to label someone who is not in total unity with the organization than to label them as an apostate.

  As an example a JW may wish to speak to an elder about a damning email they recieved. The elder could then explain it away and give a warning not to read such things in the future as it is possible it could be viewed as brazen behaviour.
• 
  144

  Does God Command Christians To Go From Door To Door Preaching The Gospel?

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does god command christians to go from door to door preaching the gospel?.

  source:http://www.thercg.org/questions/p070.a.html.

  based on a quick reading and misinterpretation of acts 20:20, many believe that the apostle paul preached the gospel of the kingdom from house to house, to those who were unconverted.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  From the July 1, 1943 Watchtower Pages 204-6
  
  "*** Righteous Requirements ***
  
  These expressions of God's will by his King and through his established agency constitute his law or rule of action for the "faithful and wise servant" and for their goodwill companions today who will dwell upon the earth for ever in the New World.
  
  The Lord breaks down our organization instructions further and makes them more practicable by further instructing us through his "faithful and wise servant".
  
  He says,'Let us assign the field, the world, to special pioneers, regular pioneers and companies of Jehovah's witnesses in an orderly way, sufficient for everyone to thoroughly witness therein, and let us place upon each one the responsibility of caring for the New World interest in these respective assignments.'
  
  He says the requirements for special pioneers shall be 175 hours and 50 back-calls per month, which should develop into a reasonable number of studies; and for regular pioneers 150 hours and as many back-calls and studies as can be properly developed during that time.
  
  And for company publishers he says,'Let us make a quota of 60 hours and 12 back-calls and at least one study a week for each publisher.'
  
  These directions come to us from the Lord through his established agency directing what is required of us; and, for those who really love the Lord and are guided by his counsel, that is a reasonable service requirement.
  
  This expression of the Lord's will should be the end of all controversy. It is for your good that these requirements are made; for thereby you are enabled to prove your integrity and magnify the Lord's name."
• 
  22

  Do Jehovah's Witnesses believe in their own doctrine?

  by God_Delusion in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hi guys,.

  do you think the majority of jehovah's witnesses actually believe in their own doctrine?

  do they honestly believe that the end is nigh?.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  They believe whatever the org. tells them.
• 
  79

  What did God accomplish with the flood?

  by jam in

  1. social
  2. humour

  the purpose of the flood, because man grieved him to.

  his heart, so he started over.

  did his plan work?

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  I remember my father reading the story to us but would always at the end emphasize the authority that God has and can use. He would explain that it was to show mankind that he can destroy evil when he wishes and save those he chooses. Basically as a forerunner to the final cleansing that will take place. He also loved to tell us about the rainbow which symbolized the idea that God can make promises to mankind and will keep them.
• 
  29

  Encounter with two elders last night

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i realized recently that this was the start of a new service year (read: fi$cal year), so of course i figured it was possible the elders would make their usual rounds and show up uninvited.

  it hadn't occurred to me that they would approach me as i was picking up my family from the meeting last night.

  as i was getting my daughter situated, the chairman of my judicial committee says, "hey!

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  "We like to visit disfellowshipped ones to see if they would like to serve God"

  I find this highly disrespectful, my first reaction would be to tell them that there is no need as I am trying (just like them) to serve God, and although I might be disfellowshipped from their organization it in no way hinders my own relationship with God.

  Anything further they would have to say would be very judgemental and I would point this out to them as they simply have no right to do this.

  It must be very difficult for you as it is these guys who are keeping your family in captivity.
• 
  5

  The WT sense of "true"

  by smmcroberts in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i always liked the wt definition of "truth".. too bad what they teach has been the antithesis of that definition, as i relate in my latest blog: the watchtower sense of "true".. as for me, i love the truth!

  that's why i left..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  Great blog smmcroberts.

  I love the truth too. You're picture of the word truth under examination with a microscope reveals lies - very clever.

  I found this remark interesting "Then, as a further exercise of truth, I must obediently tell people that I “came into the truth” by my own personal decision to accept Bible teachings and not by the dictates of the Watchtower." That is exactly what we were told, that we had 'bible truth' not the organizations and this alone should have rung the warning bells. We know it's not bible truth because that cannot change, whereas organizational understandings will and do change.
• 
  8

  Awake Nov 2012 Posessions

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the current awake.

  "in order to be admired, some people flaunt their designerwear or other fancy belongings.

  in one asian land, for example,.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  King Solomon these are the things I meant when I said the article presents an unbalanced view -

  It says that it is okay for christians to buy expensive luxuries, that there is nothing wrong at all without except for one stipulation, which is that it shouldn't be flaunted. There is no other warning or suggestion that there are many other considerations. For instance, the numerous traps of working hard just to buy these extravegant luxuries. Traps such as longing for these things, having to work hard at the expense of family, causing undue stress etc.

  The idea that one shouldn't flaunt these things. You can't hide these things in a cupboard or garage, they will be on display and others will see them anyway.

  What about the person who hasn't worked hard to earn these luxuries? Some people inherit large sums or have family who provide them with riches. The article has only mentioned that a person who has worked hard deserves them.

  A gift from God? Really? The materialistic world that we live in should be seen to be from the devil.

  The scripture they quoted talks only of enjoying the fruits of our labour which allow them to eat and drink, it isn't referring to that luxury Italian car.
• 
  8

  Awake Nov 2012 Posessions

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the current awake.

  "in order to be admired, some people flaunt their designerwear or other fancy belongings.

  in one asian land, for example,.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  Listener

  From the current Awake

  "IN ORDER to be admired, some people flaunt their designerwear or other fancy belongings. In one Asian land, for example,

  the “newly rich love luxury products —imported French handbags, Italian sports cars—and even more, they love to show off

  [their wealth],” says an article in The Washington Post.

  Of course, there is nothing wrong with enjoying the fruitage of one’s labor. The Bible says: “Every man should eat and indeed drink

  and see good for all his hard work. It is the gift of God.” (Ecclesiastes 3:13) But is it wise to flaunt, or parade, our possessions? What

  does the Bible say?"

  I am amazed that basically what they are saying it is okay to work hard and buy the designerwear, even french handbags and Italian sports cars or even more - apparently there is nothing wrong at all with doing as long as you don't flaunt or parade it.

  This is such an unbalanced view to be giving christians.