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Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

by yogosans14 in

"he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

" (col. 1:15-17, for context.

Listener

Marking

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Perversion of Baptismal Vows

by AlanF in

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friends

an appendix in the book contains some 120 questions along with hundreds of scriptural "proof texts" that the proselyte is then expected to study.

12 jesus commanded his followers to baptize new disciples in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit.

the following quotation shows what the proselyte is expected to study just prior to baptism:.

Listener

Marked and thank you for your post

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Expect JW.ORG figures to be inflated for August

by Quarterback in

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friends

i find myself trying to access the website, too often, to access the november wt.

this wt is supposed to contain the details of the changes.

so far, nothing.. i think that others are trying to do the same thing just to read about those details.

Listener

If they start going on about how many people are visiting their site then it will be much easier to prove that they are only doing this for the bragging rights which is something they specifically claim that they don't do in regards to all their other numbers.

They have no idea of how many new interested persons are looking at their site as there is no way to tally this. At least with the publications they have numbers of placements (to interested persons) recorded. The only statistic that would prove any usefulness would be the number of genuine bible study requests that they have recieved and it is readily available to them, I wonder if they will publish that.

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BOE * 2014-07-15 Witnessing in public places REVISION

by WatchTower87 in

boe * 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places revision.

old version: 2014-05-01 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/qagwu.

new version: 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/r6tsl.

Listener

It's not us that are sending you forth with detailed instructions, it's Jesus. Jesus I tell you.

Oh, and one more instruction, we want them baptized as recognition that they are part of our organization.

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October 2014 Kingdom Ministry (KM - 10/2014 PDF)

by WatchTower87 in

our kingdom ministry october 2014 .

instruction: press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

no virus ;-).

Listener

The KM has once again pulled the whip out. Now you won't survive armageddon if you don't have a sense of urgency.

They have to be able to explain 1914. Even though they say this is so they can defend the truth in front of the householder it is really just brainwashing by repitition. They also remind the sheepie that it is Jehovah that is providing them with these understandings and to be thankful for it. So by not accepting the understanding they are being ungrateful to God.

The whole KM is full of cultish terms and page 3 is a complete guilt trip.

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Jesus 1000 years and Satan's 1000 years in the abyss

by berrygerry in

the thread about satan in the abyss for 1000 years prompts a question.. jesus will rule for 1000 years.. jesus began ruling in 1914, which means his 1000 year reign will end in 2914.. satan will be abyssed for 1000 years.. if the end comes in 2020, satan will be abyssed in 2020, and then released in 3020.. what happens between 2914 and 3020?.

honest question..

Listener

You are right Apognophos, it is a doomsday prophecy for 1918. I found the quote on a list of failed prophecies. It was written in 1917.

I was trying to answer Berrygerry's question

Okay, I found a 78 WT which says that the 1000 year reign did not begin in 1914, but begins at Armageddon.

What was taught regarding this pre-1914 (or should I bother asking)?

The quote establishes the fact that at one time they were not teaching Jesus' 1,000 year millenial reign begins at Armageddon but had already commenced. The quote does do that

The trouble is due to the dawning of the Day of Christ, the Millennium. It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918

They were teaching that this was the dawn of the Golden Age which was the start of the Jesus' millenial rule which also coincided with the start of Jesus second presence and his Kingdom rule.

They changed their ideas from his millenial reign beginning in 1873 to 1914, then later they changed their idea of what 1914 represented. They maintained that it was the start of Jesus' kingdom rulership (but not his millenial rullership) and that it was now invisible presence, that is, it only occcurred in the heavenly realm.

It was all tied into their prophicies as to what was happening both on earth and in heaven. Each time their prophicies failed they came up with new light that altered their understanding of what supposedly occurred on certain dates. As we know, to this day, they continue with the teaching that 1914 had some significance but has evolved greatly from what they were initially teaching.

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My Elderette returns for a final Bible Study session, after I avoided her for 2 months (very long post)

by Faithful Witness in

some of this will be repeat, since it's been a little while since i posted about my "bible study" sessions with miss k, my elderette.

we are talking about the name of jehovah.

thanks for talking with us today.

Listener

To that, Miss K said, "See... the way you put that, tells me that you are using some other source for your information. You did not get that from a Watchtower magazine. They never claimed that they reign over millions of people!!"

How stupid is that, of course they are not going to say it in their publications, they even try to paint a different picture of their position through the publications. It's not words that determine their idolization but it is the physical evidence.

When she used the excuse that Jesus wouldn't call Jehovah by his actual name because it was out of respect as he is his son, I would have been tempted to ask her where was that written in the Watchtower publications and wasn't she using some other source for her information. I obviously don't have your patience as this would only have annoyed her. I would have asked her why then, do the anointed call him Jehovah rather than father as they are also his sons.

Well done.

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Jesus 1000 years and Satan's 1000 years in the abyss

by berrygerry in

the thread about satan in the abyss for 1000 years prompts a question.. jesus will rule for 1000 years.. jesus began ruling in 1914, which means his 1000 year reign will end in 2914.. satan will be abyssed for 1000 years.. if the end comes in 2020, satan will be abyssed in 2020, and then released in 3020.. what happens between 2914 and 3020?.

honest question..

Listener

1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873." (The Time Is At Hand, Foreword, p 2, 1916)

1917 Pastor Russell's mission, in large part, was to advise Christendom of its impending end, in the time of world-wide trouble. It is the Divine judgment upon the nations. … There will be no chance of escaping from destruction, through the nations. … The trouble is due to the dawning of the Day of Christ, the Millennium. It is the Day of Vengeance, which began in the world war of 1914 and which will break like a furious morning storm in 1918." (The Finished Mystery, 1917, p. 404)

The Millenium Prophecies

The Millenium began in 1873. (Thy Kingdom Come, page 305).

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What did Jesus really mean, when he said he had made his Father's name known?

by Faithful Witness in

i am preparing for my meeting this friday with miss k. we are reviewing the bible teach book, and she is looking forward to "showing me some things about the divine name.

" i don't know what she might pull out of her hat this time... but that section of the teach book is so completely assanine, i don't even know what to say.

) what did jesus mean when he said that to his father?.

Listener

Thanks for the update Faithful Witness, I am looking forward to your follow up. You have gone into great detail with your discussions which includes the responses of an experienced JW and this does help me to see just how easily they learn how to distort the truth.

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God listens and RESPONDS to your prayer if you know how to log on to Him! Here is the proof.

by exWTslave in

all my family members and friends (that include some elders) advised me to divorce my wife whose only joy was to pick up fight with me for everything i do, except my grand-mother who said: when you married her, you looked for only her good pointher regular pioneering despite having an opposing family.

for being good, you will ultimately reap something far better through her.

stick on to her.

Listener

Using your method to achieve such a result then we have the answer to all our problems. Once we know how to log onto him we can ask him to bring peace to nations, peace to otherwise wicked people and to change the personalities of all those criminals. They need do nothing to change their bad ways, it only takes us to request these things through prayer.

I had no idea and I am still very sceptical but happy that your domestic situation is now pleasant.