Posts by Listener

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Infant baptism in the JW religion, why is it harmful to young ones

by oppostate in

baptism for young jw's is not the same as that practiced by other denominations, and it carries a lot of potential for harm.

getting baptized as a young person in association with the jw organization is harmful to young ones who as they are maturing, wish to exit from the clutches of this captive religion.. when you see young ones, such as the one in the photo below, get baptized, doesn't your heart just sink, knowing the jw religion has caught another victim in its web of deception and abuse?.

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Listener

There is an article on JW org about puberty, which would generally be considered to be anywhere from the ages of 10 to 16 (but from the years of 8 according to the WTBTS. These are some of the points they acknowledge -

The hormonal surge that causes the physical changes of puberty can take a toll on your emotions. You might even experience powerful mood swings.....
While going through puberty, many young people also feel extremely self-conscious, as if they were being watched and judged by everyone....
What you can do -
Try to adopt a positive view. Really, puberty is a physical and emotional makeover that you need.....
The bottom line: Puberty presents its challenges. It also affords you a wonderful opportunity to grow—not just physically but also mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.—1 Samuel 2:26.

Even through this tumultuous time the GB consider it appropriate for children to make a public declaration.

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What were Satan and his demons "doing" up in heaven, before being "cast down" in 1914?

by Dunedain in

i was just thinking about how the wts has been spouting off for years that satan and his demons were cast down to the vicinity of the earth in 1914, but really, when you think about it, what was the difference before 1914 or after 1914?.

its not like satan and his demons did not have access to the earth.

satan and his demons always were messing with earth.

Listener

The Lord's prayer, spoken in the first century by Jesus, is an acknowledgement that God's will had already been completed in heaven. How is it that Satan and his demons were still able to reside or even move between heaven and earth up until 1914 if this was the case?

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

Listener

Zeb - My feeble understanding of Eve and her birth matters is this. That the term for pain as used in reference to birth is different to the term used for pain in an injury or assault. ie. Eve would give birth in pain as distress as she knew she had stuffed up and all her offspring were now cursed to age and die. But of course the wt is ever hung up on people suffering so they go for the 'pain'.

Thank you for this understanding, it's far from being feeble. He had already told them that they would die if they ate from the forbidden tree, would he then inflict additional discipline after the fact?

Genesis 3:16
o the woman He said, "I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children; Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you."17Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life.…

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Where are they now?

by Sabin in

geoffrey jackson.

terrence o'brien.

vincent toole.

Listener

Aude Sapere - the public was advised in the submission from the RC as follows

Toole said that although he understood what was put to him, the Jehovah’s Witness organisation has not reported child sexual abuse on the understanding that only the mandatory reporting laws applied.741 Mr Toole confirmed that the organisation’s understanding was also his understanding.742
417 It is implicit in Mr Toole’s confession to a ‘wake‐up call’ that prior to being called to give evidence before the Royal Commission he did not advise elders from New South Wales of their obligations under the concealment laws. It follows that where elders in NSW formed the view that child sexual abuse had occurred they were obliged under sanction of the criminal law to report those cases to the police.
418 Mr Toole should accordingly be referred to the Law Society of New South Wales for possible investigation.

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Where are they now?

by Sabin in

geoffrey jackson.

terrence o'brien.

vincent toole.

Listener

Vincent Toole is still registered in New South Wales as a Principle of a law practice, details can be found on the website of the Law Society of NSW. His email address is also provided if you want to ask him what his status is.

From experience (with the CPA Society - Accountants) they are very protective of their members probably because they are the ones registered with them and they are the ones that pay fees to them.

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

Listener

Makemeanunbeliever

The name choice was coined due to fact I havent been to a meeting in years. However I tested out several faiths and made the person who studied with me at 25 make me a believer. I am affording those here the opportunity to make me an unbeliever if proven so. Nothing so far has moved me in that direction, quite the contrary exactly.

This is the difference. There are not a lot on here who now, do not let any man make them believe in anything. You obviously made a choice at 25 to allow a person you studied with talk you into being a 'believer'.

Makemeanunbeliever - Common sense tells me that with such arrogance here among laymen calling me names would pale in comparison to a man that he and his people viewed as a god. Add to that he being visited by a common man with a speech impediment. Hope that helps.

I can't make any sense out of this. Which man was viewed as a god and who was visited by a common man with a speech impediment? I know that we are talking about Moses who had the speech impediment but who are you saying was Moses visited by?

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Stephen Lett at our assembly today

by StarTrekAngel in

he delivered the most cultic piece of propaganda i've ever seen in an assembly.

wife typed up the whole thing.

i will be posting when i get a chance.

Listener

Makemeanunbeliever - Moses had a speech impediment. God doesnt choose what we think he should choose. His advice was sound.

Where is the proof that God chose Lett and why are you comparing Lett to Moses?

Do you really think that using the illustration of going down in an elevator is an undesirable thing is sound advice?

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Gay advice from the Governing Body

by Listener in

according to them you are not gay if you are attracted to the same sex, it's just hormones and you might grow out of it.. i wonder what hormones in particular they are talking about and if they feel that a female who goes through menopause is in danger of turning gay or even if taking hormones will adjust your thinking?.

this is from the wt org website.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/.

Listener

According to them you are not gay if you are attracted to the same sex, it's just hormones and you might grow out of it.

I wonder what hormones in particular they are talking about and if they feel that a female who goes through menopause is in danger of turning gay or even if taking hormones will adjust your thinking?

This is from the WT org website

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/family/teenagers/ask/pressure-to-be-gay/

I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay?

Not at all!

Fact: In many cases, same-sex attraction is nothing more than a passing phase.

That’s what Lisette, 16, who was at one time attracted to a girl, found. She says: “Through my biology classes in school, I learned that during the adolescent years, hormone levels can fluctuate greatly. I truly think that if more youths knew more about their bodies, they would understand that same-sex attraction can be temporary and they wouldn’t feel the pressure to be gay.”

All youths face a choice—either to adopt the world’s degraded view of sexuality or to follow the high moral path set forth in God’s Word

But what if your attraction to the same sex seems to be more than a passing phase? Is it cruel of God to tell someone who is attracted to the same sex to avoid homosexuality?

If you answered yes to that last question, you should know that such reasoning is based on the flawed notion that humans must act on their sexual impulses. The Bible dignifies humans by assuring them that they can choose not to act on their improper sexual urges.—Colossians 3:5.

The Bible’s stand is not unreasonable. It simply directs those with homosexual urges to do the same thing that is required of those with an opposite-sex attraction—to “flee from fornication.” (1 Corinthians 6:18) The fact is, millions of heterosexuals who wish to conform to the Bible’s standards employ self-control despite any temptations they might face. Those with homosexual inclinations can do the same if they truly want to please God.—Deuteronomy 30:19.

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My First Bad Strawberry Festival Day-3/3/13

by Loi_241 in

i wish that it was not my day.

oh, god.

why was that happen?

Listener

One of my favourite deserts is a sponge cake filled with strawberries and cream with chocolate drizzled over the top.

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EXJW's in Mensa?

by Luther bertrand in

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any exjw's or faders out there in mensa?

any online groups for this niche?

Listener

In JW land being too smart is not good. We were told that was the problem with scientists and they made up the idea of evolution so that everyone would think they were so clever.