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The Faithful and Discreet Slave Just "have" The Truth

by Number 6 in

in the late 80's when i was in my late teens i used to with my then wife to be attend a monday night pre-watchtower study at a local elders house.. this guy was revered as very knowledgable and he was scholarly and interesting to listen to; so at the time it was a genuinely enjoyable monday evening spent with oftentimes discussion would veer far of the subject at hand and lasting to well after 11pm some evenings.. this particular night, the subject up for discussion was "the faithful and discreet slave" and how we should be obeying them without question.

right in the middle of the study this elder said as a question not in the wt article; "how do we really know the current fds as lead by the governing body are the real deal.

i mean what actual proof do we have?".

Listener

This is what they have to say about themselves in the latest March 2020 Watchtower under the article titled -Love and Appreciation for Jehovah Lead to Baptism

6 Learn to love and support Jehovah’s organization. Jehovah has organized his people into congregations; his Son, Jesus, is the head over them all. (Eph. 1:22; 5:23) Jesus has appointed a small group of anointed men to take the lead in organizing the work that he wants done today. Jesus referred to this group of men as “the faithful and discreet slave,” and they take seriously their responsibility to feed and protect you spiritually. (Matt. 24:45-47) One of the ways the faithful slave helps to care for you is by ensuring that qualified elders are appointed to shepherd you. (Isa. 32:1, 2; Heb. 13:17; 1 Pet. 5:2, 3) The elders are willing to pour themselves out for you, to comfort you, and to help you grow ever closer to Jehovah. But one of the most important things they can do for you is help you teach others about Jehovah.—Eph. 4:11-13.

How are followers supposed to learn to love the Watchtower when so much of what they do is not transparent?

They make the unsubstantiated claim that Jesus has appointed the FDS, who they claim is a small group of anointed men. However, these men are the ones that personally claim they are 'anointed' and nowhere has Jesus quantified that the FDS is either a group or small in number. Neither has Jesus found them to be faithful or discreet, that is a judgement he reserves for a later time.

The article claims that the FDS ensure the appointment of qualified Elders. But wait a minute, Jesus appoints the Governing Body members but who appoints the Elders? The claim that the GB ensure the appointment of qualified Elders can be proven to be false when we look at their own policies on appointing men who have committed serious crimes in the past.

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2019--2020-- 3 New Files For You!

by Atlantis in

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friends

2019-12-12-special preaching campaign in central london.

https://docdro.id/r8mfxeh.

2020 london campaign application form.

Listener

Thank you Petra and Atlantis.

The application asks the Elders whether the individual has had any recent spiritual difficulties but not the individual. As imperfect humans, who could possibly say that they have no spiritual difficulties? Good thing they leave it up to the Elders to judge.

Its very inconsiderate of the Watchtower to give such little notice as to where JWs will be located, it could be less than one and a half months. Already expensive accommodation becomes even more so the longer you leave booking it.

It looks like they are going to have them actually talk to people and not just stand next to carts.

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Pray before sex just like you do for food-W62 3/15

by krismalone in

the governing body has lovingly provided instructions and reminders to couples that they should pray before having sex.

please be obedient and follow the wise counsel from the gb leaders who never stick their noses into other peoples business and are not creepy cult leaders at all....not!.

"had he not created the first human pair so that they could cohabit, planted in them an attraction for each other and then commanded them to "be fruitful and become many"?

Listener

They've quoted 1 Timothy 4:3

"They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth"

They love to twist scripture. The first thing they think about when mentioning marriage is sex. They put sex in the forefront of the sheepies minds.

Marriage is an arrangement to be thankful about when you consider the aim is to provide financial and emotional stability as well as a solid support system for the couple and any future children.

Its like saying, be thankful, not for all of the food you are about to partake, but just for the icing on the cake.

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November 2019 Watchtower Study....Exaggeration at its finest

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | november 2019. lessons we can learn from the book of leviticus.

16 satan and his world have done much to make the work of that faithful slave challenging, even impossible, to carry out from a human standpoint.

despite two world wars, relentless persecution, global economic crises, and unjust treatment, the faithful and discreet slave has continued to provide spiritual food for christ’s followers on earth.

Listener

On one hand they complain how badly they are persecuted and on the other hand, how much Jehovah blesses them.

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FlyingHighNow

by Ex-Witless in

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friends

hello forum.

my aunt, flyinghighnow, has passed away.

i don't know if you remember her, but she was a long time member.

Listener

It's so sad to hear about your loss. She was both beautiful inside and out. She will be missed.

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Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

by Listener in

although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

the first paragraph asks '1.

what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

Listener

Could you imagine if the Christians in the first century were told to build, build, build immediately before the destruction of Jerusalem? They would be murmuring that this is not logical from a human standpoint.

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Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

by Listener in

although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

the first paragraph asks '1.

what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

Listener

Punkofnice - It was your fault for not accepting that you misunderstood them, it's obvious that they were going to have new light on the matter. How is it obvious you ask? The simple fact that it didn't occur then has made that evident.

They can change their mind on anything and still be right.

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Is There Anything You Can Be Thankful For Since leaving The JW`s.

by smiddy3 in

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friends

i can ,the people i had influence over in joining the religion.,but have now left the religion.granted it`s family,except for one.. those that were active jw`s and have now left :.

my wife .

my two sons ,and a wife of one .

Listener

That is really great Smiddy3. So many times we think that there is no way certain JWs would ever leave but over the passing of time we are likely to be surprised and delighted.

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Living in the last of the last days - A new prophecy

by Listener in

although not a new concept by the watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.watchtower oct 2019 page 8 -13 study no.40 titled -keep busy during the last of "the last days".

the first paragraph asks '1.

what convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?

Listener

Although not a new concept by the Watchtower, particularly in public talks and at assemblies, they have now put this prophecy in writing.

Watchtower Oct 2019 page 8 -13 Study No.40 titled -

KEEP BUSY DURING THE LAST OF "THE LAST DAYS"

The first paragraph asks '1. What convinces us that we are living in “the last days”?'

Nothing new here, the Watchtower has taught that humans have been living in the last days since 1914 for decades now and point to the signs that we are all familiar with.

The second paragraph then introduces the statement that we are now in the last of the 'last days' stating

Because so much time has passed since 1914, we must now be living in the last of “the last days.” Since the end is so near, we need to know the answers to some important questions: What events will occur at the end of “the last days”? And what does Jehovah expect us to do while we wait for those events?

They admit that they cannot give a date so instead they have basically sectionalized the last days. We know they teach that the start of the last days was in 1914 but they don't state when the start of the last of the last days began. Surely they know if they claim we are in those days.

For decades they have claimed that Armageddon was imminent and put that in writing and since losing their old teaching regarding 'this generation' they have not been so specific in the publications.

There is nothing to substantiate this claim other than the fact that 105 years have passed since 1914 and because of this length of time they say we must be living in the last of the last days. Not even their latest 'this generation' supports the idea. But there is not one thing in the bible that they can point to or do point to, which identifies this period (the last of the last days) and that includes any prophecies therefore they are making up their own prophecy about living in this specific time.

In the paragraph posted above they ask what will occur at the end of these last days and what does God want them to do whilst they wait for the end of the last days. But the real question that arises from this paragraph is - How can they be in the last of the last days when they acknowledge that they are not at the end of the last days? Because according to them, there are certain defined events that will occur at the Great Tribulation which occurs prior to Armageddon and at the end of the last days. According to their own teachings they can't be in the last of the last days since the GT occurs at the end of the last days then that is the last of the last days.

Evidently, what they mean is that they are now living in the last of the last days of the period before the GT which occurs in the last of the last days.

Overlapping generations anyone?

Naturally the rank & file are lapping this up and why we are seeing the hysteria increasing (again).

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WT study 8 December

by road to nowhere in

had to look.

first paragraph mentions that most of were probably born after 1914. most?

i bet the dubs 105 and older can be counted on your fingers..

Listener

As worshippers of Jehovah, we are convinced that we are living during “the final part of the days.”—Mic. 4:1.

If you don't believe (without evidence) that you are living in the last of the last days then the Watchtower says you are not a worshipper of Jehovah.

Basically all they are doing is making another prophecy claiming to know which part of the last days they are currently living in, they can't help themselves.