Watchtower have made the worship of God into the worship of an earthly organisation. One they admit is imperfect.
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Serious sinner?
by Gorb inwith the statement in the study watchtower this sunday, that stop serving jehovah is a serious sin, the following:.
- can i conclude now, that we, (i, wife and 2 children), since 2008 pomo and no longer active in any religious activity, are serious sinners for jehovahs witnesses?.
writing this in a watchtower, a statement like that, could have big implications.. it makes me so sad.
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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change
by Listener ina change to their doctrine came from jackson.
this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.
but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.
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It appears that the crux of the doctrinal change the Jackson was making is the signal of the start of the Great Tribulation.
Prior to this meeting their teaching was detailed in the July 2013 Watchtower which says
“In the larger fulfillment, the “standing” will occur when the United Nations (the modern-day “disgusting thing”) attacks Christendom (which is holy in the eyes of nominal Christians) and the rest of Babylon the Great. The same attack is described at Revelation 17:16-18. That event will be the beginning of the great tribulation.”
Jackson now says the start of the GT is when Nations suddenly hand over their political power to the United Nations. From the OP transcription, Jackson said
” But don't expect you will see Governments wanting to gradually give over power. They don't want to do that. It takes an act of God. Jehovah will put it into their hearts. This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the GT will start.”
Their idea is that the attack on false religion will follow.
It may be that the reason for this very minor adjustment now enables them to call the start of the Great Tribulation any time they like since -
Nations have and are signing over certain powers to the UN already. For instance, agreements made and being negotiated with WHO.
The chances of the UN destroying all religions except the JWs doesn’t appear likely or provable any time soon.
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Fifty years ago today
by JeffT inoctober 6th 1974 debbie and i tied the knot.
the elder that performed the ceremony managed to personalize it a bit for us.
seems like something worked.
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That’s a wonderful achievement. What will you be doing to mark the occasion?
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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change
by Listener ina change to their doctrine came from jackson.
this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.
but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.
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Who are the GB trying to kid about this. They our claiming that Nations will hand over political power suddenly at some future point in time. But it's not a sudden move. It's been happening for some time.
This is from the Australian Governments Health website -
Australia is working closely with the global community, including the World Health Organization, to reform and strengthen global health systems. These include updates to the International Health Regulations and the development of a new pandemic response agreement
This is just an example of one country and there are many more involved.
It is happening as we speak yet the GB obviously don't want to address this but they're pretending they have some new insight that's for a future time.
They've decided they got their interpretation wrong and that's because of their hand being forced with world events already taking place which they won't admit to.
It's another issue that makes the organization look very guilty and actively involved with the UN
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2024 Annual Meeting Doctrinal Change
by Listener ina change to their doctrine came from jackson.
this isn't a transcript of his whole speech but i thought i would try and get some of his main speech in writing.. at around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the gt.
but you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth.
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A change to their doctrine came from Jackson. This isn't a transcript of his whole speech but I thought I would try and get some of his main speech in writing.
At around 1hr26 minutes he starts talking about some dangerous thinking in feeling there is some wiggle room in regards to the schedule for the GT. He says -
"Some areas where perhaps we could be a little guilty in regards to that. For example, our view with regards to the number of anointed ones remaining on the earth. Now for many years, what did we think? Well that number would go down and down and down and down and down. Now I don't know about you but me, I can remember when the report came out just how many partakers, hmmm? And what were we thinking? Well probably, well maybe we didn't say it but we're thinking well the number will go down, down, down, down and there will be just a couple of old guys in a wheelchair who will get their reward. Well, I'm exagerating but that was sort of the feeling, wasn't it? But now what have we seen in recent years? Ha, those numbers have gone up and up. And not only that, younger brothers have been appointed on the Governing Body.
Now I know what you're all thinking, two new ones, how old are they? We know, you're not googling now, ha, but you will be. But you see, we need to be careful about what we are thinking about the number of anointed ones left on earth. You see, 19 years ago I was appointed on to the GB, even I thought I was too young. Hm? Now they tell me I'm not so young anymore. But do we see the point? What does the Bible actually tell us with regard to this? Well it doesn't say the number would dwindle down to just having a few older ones left. No, the great crowd of other sheep will be judged on the basis of how they deal with Christ's Brothers. So that means the FDS and all the anointed throughout the earth will continue to be active in doing the work and wanting and needing your support right up until the time that suddenly they will be reassigned. And isn't that what Matt 24:31 says? There will be a gathering, a final gathering of all the anointed from the different parts of the earth. So for us to think 'Well, you know, there's some new ones on the GB, they don't look too old, ah, maybe we've got a little bit of extra time. No, Jehovah is making sure that the FDS is continuing to work and is effective right up in that until that time of reassignment."
Then he says it was onto the next subject. He calls it "Our view of the destruction of BTG"
"When we look through the scriptures, in Revelation 16, what does it tells us? That the waters will gradually dry up, yes churches are loosing support in some countries" He says Europe is less but Africa and South America religion still has a strong influence. "So what is it that the little voice is saying" points to his head. "Well yeah, we see it, it's going in the right direction but maybe not just yet, we've got a little bit more time left. But again
Revelation 17 describes the destruction of false religion or in other words, when the GT starts. Verse 17 - For God put it into their hearts to carry out his thought, yes to carry out their one thought by giving their kingdom to the wild beast until the words of God is accomplished' Now what is this one thought? Well up until now, we've said the one thought is their desire to turn on false religion. And we can understand that because the context is talking about the destruction of false religion. But you see, if you look back at that verse, what is the one thought? Now this means we have to adjust our understanding. Another change. What does it say? The one thought refers to the nations being willing to hand over power, their political power, to the scarlet coloured wild beast, the United Nations.
Let me repeat it because you are in shock now and you need to write this down. Okay. The one thought refers to the Nations being willing to hand over power to the United Nations.
Now, why is that exciting? Well, the fact that Nations will eventually turn on religions really isn't that surprising is it? Gradually we've seen that happening. Oh yes, we see which way it's going. But what about Nations empowering the United Nations, handing over their personal political power so that the UN has more power? It has 'teeth' so it were. At the moment it's like a teethless, toothless organization isn't it? That seems unbelievable, no nation does that. But what is it that happens? It is an act of God. Jehovah puts that one thought into the minds of the nations. Yes, they will empower the UN so that the UN will be in a position to take action against false religion.
Now this adjustment in understanding means that we also have to adjust our understanding of verses 12 and 13. So if you are in Rev 17 please lets look at 12 and 13 'The ten horns that you saw represent ten kings who have not yet received the Kingdom. But they do receive authority as Kings for one hour with the wild beast. These have one thought so they give their power and their authority to the wild beast.'
So up until now we have assumed these 10 Kings represent all the political powers and governments in the World at the moment. That they did this during the last days by supporting first of all, the league of nations and then the UN.
But now, what do we understand this to be seeing how we understand Vs 17? Well there will come a time when all political powers on earth, which includes many who have never been part of the 7 world powers. They will see that they need to collectively pool their power by giving it to the UN to try to solve some of the problems in the World. And they will rule, notice what does it say? For one hour, just a short period of time.
So this newly empowered UNs from that time on, will rule collectively for a short time but it will enable them to destroy false religion and fight against Jesus' and Jehovah's people. Now isn't that exciting?
But now we're back to our subject again. Now gradually things happen so we might say 'well gradually I see BTG losing influence in some places, well maybe not yet' But don't expect you will see Governments wanting to gradually give over power. They don't want to do that. It takes an act of God. Jehovah will put it into their hearts. This will occur with suddenness. Yes, then the GT will start. A sudden change, not something that happens gradually.
So what have we learnt in our discussion? Well yes some things change gradually but Bro's and Sis's remember, some things that are about to occur. Let's remember the two things as a reminder.
First of all, The remaining anointed one will suddenly be taken to heaven while they are still very active Matt 24:31
The second one Jehovah will suddenly move the nations to give their political power to the UN Rev 17:12,13,17.
So what's the takeaway? Don't be complacent. Don't think 'oh this is going to gradually change' No Some things won't gradually change. They will occur suddenly as Acts of God. So be ready and don't be surprised by sudden change.
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Director of ICE, appointed by President Biden, has released a report of the number of criminals deliberately brought into the United States.
by liam inthe director of ice appointed by biden couldn't contain anymore what the biden administration was secretly hiding from the american people and congress.
so he released his report a few days ago to congress, and revealed that hundreds of thousands of criminals and terrorists from afghanistan were being flown into the country in private planes during the night and releasing them into all the states.
this is not a republican report.
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Are illegals now allowed to vote in elections?
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Where is Tony?
by Athanasius inon february 22, 2023, anthony morris iii was officially removed from the governing body of jehovah's witnesses.
a few months later it was revealed that the watchtower bought him a house in lumberton, north carolina.. however, and correct me if i am wrong, since leaving the gb nobody has reported seeing tony attending jw meetings or participating in field service.
in fact nobody has reported seeing him anywhere, not even at a local liquor store.
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The second house, which is very close to Anthony Morris' is tax free since it is owned by the Watchtower.
Whose living there? I thought that it may have been bought as a place for his sons, who are Bethelites, to stay when they visit their parents as they wouldn't want them associating with the local congregation and put them under pressure for gossip or to make it more convenient for them to visit regularly and not have to live at their parents house and be under their influence.
But, there's another possibility and it goes with my theory that Morris had either injured himself whilst drunk or that he has an illness brought on by too much drinking. Maybe a JW nurse (and family) is staying there to look after him. The cost would be minimal, being a full time worker for the Watchtower.
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rant about the stupidty of JW r/f
by enoughisenough inputting this under beliefs,doctrine and practices because i don't see a better heading.
here is what i have been thinking for years now and the situation with the recent storms and the devastation brings in closer to home in my thinking.
i lived in western nc for 20 years and moved to wv in feb of this year.
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Enough is enough “I do have a thought about what/why the studio is being built, but some would think me a crazy conspiracy theorist.”
If you don’t mind, I’d like to hear your idea. The org is too secretive and we are often left to speculate.
I was just looking at their Watchtower studio for their monthly broadcasts and wondered the following-
They teach Satan is the ruler of this world so why do they have a picture of the world and not focus on something more spiritual?
They also put their logo up, just JW. Why? It becomes a symbol when it doesn’t explain anything to the viewer. It becomes a bit of advertising at best. But surely the focus should be on Jehovah (and Jesus) and the heavenly kingdom.
Even in the congregations, they choose an annual text and put that up to display.
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Marcial--News and Update on Atlantis!
by Atlantis innews on the person you call (atlantis!).
(before he came to simon's board he was called the twin, the crawler, the titan, the scanner, and many other names to hide his identity.
he has never been caught and to this day the watchtower society has never known who he was.
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Dear Petra, it was so apparent how much Atlantis treasured you and no doubt, you are a great comfort to him.
Thank you for your beautiful and wise words that Atlantis would echo.
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WTS 2024 Annual Business Meeting ...
by careful in... is just three weeks from this saturday.
the org has been tight-lipped, really, successfully secret about advance info on these in recent years,.
now that these relatively recent changes on dress and grooming, reporting fs time, judicial matters, etc.
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I think the organization is trying to distance itself from being viewed as a cult or having more extreme beliefs and practices. It's causing them numerous problems, such as problems are with Governments, being socially accepted, trying to recruit new members and causing JWs to leave.
It's possible they'll come up with more changes to doctrines, simply saying 'they just don't know'.
Birthdays, mother's/father's day and other special days not considered to be pagan by them may be allowed.
Reducing the workloads even further by removing the mid week meetings might be on the cards. Transferring that saved time and resources into more direct involvement to benefit the Watchtower.