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DanaBug
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Strange, Offensive , Weird Statements on DFing Offenses in Elders Manual
by flipper inyou really can't make this stuff up.
but an organization like the wt society bent on controlling virtually every aspect of the typical jehovah's witness life - would make this up to keep their control through the use of fear and guilt.
so- i thought i'd share what i thought was the strangest, most offensive, weird language dealing with what the wt society calls " disfellowshipping offenses " .
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Attention Born in Lurkers
by stuckinamovement indo you feel that something has changed within god's organization?
have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?
i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.
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DanaBug
Compare to Scripture, any mention of 144,000 or mediation for different classes? The new covenant was made for forgiveness of sins and no one but Jesus can, as Mediator, apply that to mankind. No one.
1 Timothy 2:5,6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all"
Acts 13:38-39 "Let it therefore be known to YOU, brothers, that through this One a forgiveness of sins is being published to YOU; 39 and that from all the things from which YOU could not be declared guiltless by means of the law of Moses, everyone who believes is declared guiltless by means of this One."
Hebrews 9:15, 28 "So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, ? 28so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation."
Romans 3:21-30 "But now apart from law God's righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; 22 yes, God's righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. ? 29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of people of the nations? Yes, of people of the nations also?"
Ephesians 1:7 "By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of [our] trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness."
Romans 6:23 "For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."
Hebrews 7:25 "Consequently he is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead for them."
Hebrews 8:10-12 "'For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,' says Jehovah. 'I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people. 11 "'And they will by no means teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying: "Know Jehovah!" For they will all know me, from [the] least one to [the] greatest one of them. 12 For I shall be merciful to their unrighteous deeds, and I shall by no means call their sins to mind anymore.'"Matthew 26:27-28 "Also, he took a cup and, having given thanks, he gave it to them, saying: "Drink out of it, all of YOU; 28 for this means my 'blood of the covenant,' which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins."
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John 6:53-56 " 53 Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”
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Attention Born in Lurkers
by stuckinamovement indo you feel that something has changed within god's organization?
have you noticed that in the past several years there has been a more authoritarian spirit displayed in the publications and from the platform?
i am in the beginning stages of a fade away and wanted to express my thoughts.
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DanaBug
What do you mean when you say Jesus is NOT our mediator, despite what 1 Tim. 2:5,6 says? Can you point me to evidence to that statement?
No problem!
"Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members." Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace" pp. 10-11
"Is Jesus the "mediator" only for anointed Christians? ? So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator" only for anointed Christians. ?The "great crowd" of "other sheep" that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the "little flock" of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant." Watchtower 1979 April 1 p.31
"They recognize that they are not spiritual Israelites in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, nor part of the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation."-1 Pet. 2:9. 24 Yet they do benefit from the operation of the new covenant. They benefit from this just as, in ancient Israel, the "alien resident" benefited from residing in among the Israelites who were in the Law covenant.-Ex. 20:10; Lev. 19:10, 33, 34; Rev. 7:9-15. 25 To keep in relationship with "our Savior, God," the "great crowd" needs to remain united with the remnant of spiritual Israelites." Watchtower 1979 November 15 p.27 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men""He mediates the new covenant between God and those taken into the new covenant, the congregation of spiritual Israel. The total number of those who are finally and permanently sealed is revealed in Revelation 7:4-8 as 144,000." Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2 p.362 Mediator
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KM (Elder School) Brief Highlights
by XBEHERE inbesides the usual drivel there were a couple interesting things.
1. an entire 1 hour discourse on helping our children become little innocent martyrs for the wt via.
their flawed and unreasonable blood doctrine.
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DanaBug
Dozy quoted
w92 11/1pp.19-20 pars.16-17 Education With a Purpose So when parents and young Christians today, after carefully and prayerfully weighing the pros and cons, decide for or against postsecondary studies, others in the congregation should not criticize them. If Christian parents responsibly decide to provide their children with further education after high school, that is their prerogative.
Policy 2011 So when parents and young Christians today , after carefully and prayerfully weighing the pros and cons , decide for or against postsecondary studies , others in the congregation should criticize them. If the father is an appointed man , the rest of the body will automatically have an elders meeting and after discussing ten questions from the Society will decide whether or not to delete the brother. If Christian parents irresponsibly decide to provide their children with further education after high school , that is not their prerogative and is against the societies instruction.
What's interesting to me is if a r&f is considering this by researching publications, comes across this and thinks it's okay. But this other information, that their not privy to, says otherwise. But I don't know, have more recent mags said otherwise too?
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Who Owns Kingdom Halls & Land?
by InterestedOne ini was just in a service meeting where the elder announced that the kh had been sold.
he gave the dollar amount and said it would be split between the two cong's currently meeting in it.
the cong i attend will move to another location which currently has a building with another cong in it, but there is also enough open space on the plot of land to build another edifice.
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DanaBug
If I understand correctly, the congregation owns it until the mortgage is paid off and then the WTS owns it.
This is what I found:
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I'm having a baby!
by AwSnap inim just about at 14 weeks.
whooohooooo!
i thought i had the answers to all, until i got that "positive" on the pregnancy test.
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DanaBug
Yay!!! And congrats, Awsnap! Nothing changes you like a baby does.
I don't have any advice about the JW grandparents, we're still working on that too.
The book leavingwt suggested is great. It covers pretty much everything you could think of.
We never used a changing table or a diaper genie, so you might consider whether you will really before you spend money on it.
And do try breastfeeding. It's probably the strangest thing I've ever done, but it's so worth it! It's cheaper, gets the weight off fast, and I found it really convenient especially in the middle of the night. I kind of miss it--the bonding and I actually had cleavage, lol!
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What the WT requires for reinstatement
by sabastious init's creepy that they require you to "study" for all meetings and show that you "underlined" to get reinstated.. think about that for a second.
before they let you back in they make you prove that you have been at least partially re-indoctrinated.. i mean, in the end, what does "underlining" really prove?
true repentance?
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DanaBug
Ah yes, don't forget the notes! All the bible verses written out so you don't have to look them up, and thus miss the context. My dad uses a footnote system for that, each scripture gets a little number.
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The watchtower eats humble pie in trying to locate and reinstate all those wrongly disfellowshiped?
by still wondering inwhat happens when the rules regarding medical treatment are changed because it is now decided that the watchtower god does allows certain blood fractions after all but which formerly the wts said would offend him so much that offenders would be sent to gehenna?.
blood serums are just one example.
in 1954 the societys ruling on blood serums disallowed their use because using blood serums was displeasing to god.
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DanaBug
Admitting to wrongly disfellowshipping someone would be admitting that the "holy spirit" that directs them was wrong, wouldn't it?
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Jehovah Unmasked
by Soldier77 injehovah unmasked by nathaniel j. merritt.
has anyone read this and what are your thoughts, opinions?
i have just downloaded it tonight and i'm already on chap.
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DanaBug
Thanks for the links!
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If you're a worldly and you are informed about the Watchtower
by dgp inif i, as a non-witness, tried to tell my friends and family about what i have learned on this site and elsewhere about the watchtower, some would listen for a while, but the vast majority of them, if not all, would have trouble understanding why i should become and remain interested in such a subject at all.
many would tell me that everyone knows witnesses are crazy anyways, and that i surely could use my time on more productive endeavors.. .
it's very sad, but many people would tell me that witnesses are witnesses because they want to.
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DanaBug
People in general don't understand cults. They don't get that there is no full disclosure before joining and no freedom to leave without serious consequences. If they do realize that, then they assume that person was weak or stupid for joining. As an American, I find it appalling that groups like these are able to take away our basic rights and still exist. But there's no easy way to fix that or even get people to really care about it.
I do think more exposure and more voices will definitely help. So thanks for adding yours!