That's completely normal. But you'll want to rein it in or it can take over. It might help to keep a journal and when something pops up, like in the middle of the night, just write it down and then look it up later. That also helps to keep things in focus. Anwer the questions you write down, so you don't feel like you're spinning in circles with all this new information.
DanaBug
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Wanted to get reinstated... Almost ready to give up
by headisspinning ini'd like to hear from anyone who was disfellowshipped but fully intended to go back as soon as possible and how that worked out or didn't.
i'd like to hear how soon you went back to meetings, how many letters requesting reinstatement you wrote, how you were treated, and how long it took you to get bitter and jaded.... or in the off chance you had a positive experience, what exactly happened.. really struggling here... thanks!.
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Wanted to get reinstated... Almost ready to give up
by headisspinning ini'd like to hear from anyone who was disfellowshipped but fully intended to go back as soon as possible and how that worked out or didn't.
i'd like to hear how soon you went back to meetings, how many letters requesting reinstatement you wrote, how you were treated, and how long it took you to get bitter and jaded.... or in the off chance you had a positive experience, what exactly happened.. really struggling here... thanks!.
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DanaBug
I'm sorry if my hesitance to jump ship is frustrating to some of you but I need to do things at my own pace and in my own time.
Yes, you do. Sometimes it's frustrating to watch, as we've already done it and it seems so painfully obvious to us. But you have to figure it out for yourself, otherwise you're just taking someone else's word for it...again. So keep it up and take it slow, consider it carefully, and take a break if you need to. And it's easy to get obsessed and feel like you have to know everything. I've spent many a sleepless night doing that. Sometimes it helps to just take a step back for a few days and think about the big picture. What do the things you know add up to? I don't know everything there is to know about this religion, but I do know more than enough to convince me this isn't the truth.
I wish you and your husband well in whatever decision you make; and remember, we're all here for you if you need support or just to vent or whatever.
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Witness having a hay day
by d infor those that are still going to the meetings.what are they saying about eygpt, libya and tunisa and the labor protests in the united states and the increasing gas prices.are they all fired up with end times fodder.tell me your thoughts.
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DanaBug
What's the middle eastern or asian version of the name Andre? Look for that, lol!
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Redemption, Salvation, Atonement? The fly in the ointment
by SweetBabyCheezits ini posted this paine quote in the middle of another thread but thought it deserved its own.
this principle eluded me before reading the age of reason.
it's such a simple, basic concept of justice and yet so many christians miss it (as i did) or ignore it.. .
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DanaBug
Tammy,
Bear with me here, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Are you saying Jesus could have come here, shown us the way to live, not die, and we then could just follow Jesus' example and be right with God and forgiven?
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Redemption, Salvation, Atonement? The fly in the ointment
by SweetBabyCheezits ini posted this paine quote in the middle of another thread but thought it deserved its own.
this principle eluded me before reading the age of reason.
it's such a simple, basic concept of justice and yet so many christians miss it (as i did) or ignore it.. .
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Romans 3:25 25 whom God displayed publicly as ( A ) a propitiation ( B ) in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the ( C ) forbearance of God He ( D ) passed over the sins previously committed;
1 John 4:10 10 In this is love, (A) not that we loved God, but that (B) He loved us and sent His Son to be (C) the propitiation for our sins.
1 John 2:2 2 and He Himself is (A) the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also (B) for those of the whole world.
Propitiation
Short Definition: a sin offering, covering
Definition: (a) a sin offering, by which the wrath of the deity shall be appeased; a means of propitiation, (b) the covering of the ark, which was sprinkled with the atoning blood on the Day of Atonement.2435hilast?rion (a substantival adjective, derived from 2433/hiláskomai, "to propitiate") – the place of propitiation; the lid of the golden ark (the mercy-seat) where the blood of a vicarious lamb appeased God's wrath on sin.
ETA: Maybe he didn't want it, but he required it, didn't he? Is there a difference?
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What Happens If Members Read This Site? (And Other Questions)
by Stargater infirst, i read an account that says members are often baptized more than once if they feel so disposed.
in conventional christianity, partaking of the bread and wine is done in rememberance of their baptism.
one is symbolic of death and renewal; the other is done to remember the body and blood of the savior.
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Hi, stargater. Good questions!
JWs have an answer for everything and it doesn't concern them much if that answer actually makes any sense. They're simply content to have the answer.
So what kind of records does the church keep and are they shredded when someone is disfellowshipped or are the people still considered members? Do they need to be rebaptized? Are records kept for rebaptisms?
Every publisher has a publisher card on file that has info like your name, baptism date, member of the great crowd or anointed. They keep records that you turn in monthly about your door to door work. How much time you spent, number of magazines and publications placed, return visits made. They also keep records of your applications to auxiliary or regular pioneer. And if you get df'd there's a record of that too. And no, they're not shredded. You don't have to be rebaptized after getting reinstated.
If I am a father...do I baptize my children or is that something the elders do?
Baptisms are done at assemblies or conventions. Brothers are assigned to do the baptizing.
In the New Testament, baptized members had the Holy Spirit conferred upon them by the laying on of hands. Is this done in the Organization?
There's no laying on of the hands. JWs have a totally different concept of holy spirit than other Christians do. I'll leave that to a Christian to explain.
If a person is turned in by a family member for reading this website, can that person be disfellowshipped? Are they warned first?
That really depends on your body of elders and your reputation in the congregation. Some have been df'd for being here. You're usually contacted by the elders first to discuss the charges and then it's decided if there should be a judicial committee or not. There is a scripture about there having to be two witnesses to an offense but sometimes that's ignored.
If a person is disfellowshipped, do their family members shun them? What is shunning like?
This too depends on the family. Some families don't shun, some do. The direction from the Org is to shun except in cases of necessary family business, since it's "loving" and will help the df'd person want to come back. My family shuns me and my sister. It's a bit like being dead but knowing you are, if that makes any sense. It's so hard to describe. My parents weren't at the birth of my daughter or my sister's two kids or my sister's wedding (I actually walked her down the aisle). But when my grandmother was dying, my sister and I went down to her and my grandfather's house and stayed there with my JW mother and her df'd brother and sister during that; that was necessary family business. I haven't talked to one of my brothers in 6 years or any of my extended family that are in. It's like I don't exist and they carry on without a backwards glance.
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SOME ENCOURAGEMENT FOR THE NEWBIES AND LURKERS
by palmtree67 ina quote from "crisis of conscience".
don't be afraid to read it.. .
whatever the initial distress - a distress that sometimes follows the demenaing experience of being interogated by men who, in effect strip one of dignity, make the weight of their authority felt, and presume to judge adversely one's standing with god - however torn one may feel inside, afterward there is a distinct feeling of relief, of peace.
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Thanks for bumping GOrwell!
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Who REALLY IS the Faithful and Discreet Slave?
by TimothyT inim 23 and im still a jw.
the jehovahs witnesses claim that god is using their earthly organisation in the last days!
im realy not too sure.
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Timothy,
I think these two articles do a fair job of presenting the Org's proof and scriptural backing and then refuting.
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/organization.php
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/faithful-discreet-slave.php
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"Islamaphobia is Unpatriotic"--Article With Disturbing Video
by Justitia Themis inhttp://www.libsandcons.com/1/post/2011/03/islamophobia-is-unpatriotic.html.
they are abused with calls of go home, and terrorist, little children are subjected to it as well.
a villa park councilwoman named deborah pauly echoes the rhetoric of pamela geller and even calls for the murder of participants (who she labels terrorists) at the charity event.
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Im repeating for empahsis. how in thw world can peopel who left a cult defend the biggest most ruthless one on the planet?????
Do you call all of Christianity a cult because JWs are a cult? It's the same thing. There are cults in Islam, al-Queda for one, but it's false to call Islam a cult. Not all Muslims dress the same, believe the same, or live by the same rules, despite what you may have heard. How hard is that to understand? Which sect of Islam do you define as a cult?
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shunning is love - Feb 15 2011 Watchtower
by jj123jj123 in18 if you face a similar situation, please remember that jehovah sympathizes with you.
by cutting off contact with the disfellowshipped or disassociated one, you are showing that you hate the attitudes and actions that led to that outcome.
however, you are also showing that you love the wrongdoer enough to do what is best for him or her.
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The pdf is here: http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=QrYQCsVrGZNT