Psalm1611 : " Need help finding JW material written after 1986 Good day! I am reaching out for help from those of you that know your material better than I, an outsider. I am a Baptist missionary in Ukraine for 5 years now. ... I am constantly in contact with JWs. To deal with them, ..."
Sure Psalms1611, you'll find some of the material you're looking to find. You'll also find some material demonstrating that the whole Judeao-Christian concept is in error. Study it carefully, through it you may be freed to be yourself and not waste your life as Jesus did.
the bible does connect egypt and israel (including judah), but does not tell the truth about the connection.. an exhibition at the israel museum tells a clearer story.. it tells of two periods of connection;.
the first connection around 1800 to 1550 bce when canaanites settled in the eastern section of the nile river delta.
it seems this is the era that saw the development of stories like the joseph story and the mose's story.
The Bible does connect Egypt and Israel (including Judah), but does not tell the truth about the connection.
An exhibition at the Israel Museum tells a clearer story.
It tells of two periods of connection;
The first connection around 1800 to 1550 BCE when Canaanites settled in the eastern section of the Nile River Delta. It seems this is the era that saw the development of stories like the Joseph story and the Mose's story. But much is left out. Of course, some narratives may have been lost as Acts 7:22 seems to indicate:
Moses was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians and was powerful in speech and action.
Why and how precisely did Luke's "Moses" receive that education? How had he demonstrated his power? Why did the author of Acts think of Moses in that way? Was it just an assumption, or has some record been lost?
The second period was around 1500 to 1150 BCE, a when the Egyptians conquered Canaan and established of an Egyptian military and administrative presence in Canaan during the Late Bronze Age. Not amuch about that time in the Bible, is there. Why not?
I guess few of us will have an opportunity to view this exhibition, but watch out for news of it, there's a lot to learn, especially if you wish to view the Bible objectively, and not see it as a piece of Jewish propaganda.
Heartsafire : A really good post--especially when you're having to "beat the vultures"off your man. It's really disgusting how some sisters have zero respect for themselves and will throw themselves at anything with a penis attached.
Why are so many men (and, some women) really frightened by a tough, strong woman, who knows what she wants and how to get it?
If you're a strong enough man to handle this situation you could finish up with a wonderful life-long partner.
The tide of disbelief is rising and only fools think they can stop it. But some are too stupid to understand that fact, as this news story from Saudi Arabia demonstrates:
American ally Saudi Arabia is the perpetrator of this crime against humanity.
Here's the headlines:
Saudi Arabia sentences a man to 10 years in prison and 2,000 lashes for expressing his atheism on Twitter
And all the details - from the UK Independent, can be found at this link:
first let me introduce my self, i am a 33yo male show spent much of his youth in the jw cult, i was not raised into the truth however thought i found it at the age of 11 when a well caring brother knocked my door, i had no father figure so this brother was everything to me, like a father, i quickly began attending meetings even when my mom used to oppose, i was taken like an example kid because i was an "orphan" in the spiritual sense, i got baptized when i was 12, and spent the rest of my teenage years being this good kid everyone thought i was, i hated that attention and pressure however it felt good to be doing good things, when i was about to finish high school i started to get into punk and ska music, i used to listen to it in secret, one time an elder found out and went to my house when i wasnt there, he went into my room and took all my cds, this was my first time i felt like i was being invaded of my privacy, i was made to feel guilty for liking this music and lost all my priviledges..theres a lot more i can say but i will stick to the main points, i became a reg pioneer, i became an ms, the whole thing, living in new york allowed me to visit bethel many times and had many many friends there, at the head quarters and walkill, in my cong we had bethelite elders etc, so yeah i was "in the club" , i always had a doubt in the back of my mind if what i was doing was the right thing, i used to rent the basement out of en elders house, he is what made me turn, he was the mos unloving person i ever met, for instance he would turn off the heat during snow storms, sometimes due to my pioneering i had no food and he knew this, well no food from him etc.
yet all this time i thought i was doing the right thing, eventually i feel in love and started dating this beautiful pioneer girl, daughter of pioneer parents as well, i never felt fully excepted because of my spiritual orphan status and no family in the truth, eventually got to a point where i could not communicate with her and her parents used to pick up the calls, they told me i could not continue to pursue a relationship with her, i was devastated!
long story short i wanted to see her etc, they put a restraining order and labeled me a stalker, made a mistake of sending her an e-mail and well, that got me arrested!!
nodoubter: I was by myself in the worst of times, it was there I realized that this can not be Gods organization, i did NOTHING wrong!, please give your self a favor and leave this organization, they ruined my life but I found the strength and wisdom to go on without them,
May I re-interpret your experience, nodoubter?
The people that run the JWs are very stupid, they have an implicit trust in the bible and think it will solve all their problems. Bible principles were at the root of everything they did to you, but the biggest and most damaging bible principle is that we should be like little children in the face of the real adult, the multi-faced YHWH/JESUS. They are the ones that we are supposed to worship and trust.
I contend that only when "they" (the org) follow the Bible's direction and kick us out, do we find our real "adult" selves.
Disfellowshipping is the best thing that can happen to us. Of course, for some, the loss of social connections can be overwhelming and lacking "adult" emotions they try to worm their way back in to fellowship. But like you, many find their inner and personal maturity (that was suppressed by the org.) and learn to stand on their own feet.
Grow you personal (emotional) maturity and continue to be appreciative of the fact that disfellowshipping gave you the opportunity to escape their pressure to be a child.
slimboyfat :Not to mention the fact Russell actually wrote a book calledThe Time is at Hand!Doh!
And of course, all the other ratbag Christians of the nineteenth century from Miller on, and before, going right back.
Where's Jesus? Do we need an Elijah to mock him? ( A slight revision to 1 Kings 18:27)
27 At noon Elijah began to taunt them. “Shout, where's Jesus, louder!” he said. “Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened.”28 So they preached louder and louder and gave all their money to print books as was their custom, until there was no more29 Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention. Jesus didn't listen."
Umm! The trailer reminded me (for some unrealised reason) of a long ago version of H.G.Wells' "The War of the Worlds."
Guess it was the victorious machines, who are undone by a small group of Britishers winning (as always) against all odds.
Anyway, some say that all the stories in the world of storytelling can be reduced to six basic plots. Can't recall where I heard that either. Well, I'm sure it wasn't Jesus who told me.
And so single-minded! Once programmed the robot cannot be deflected from its task - a perfect Christian.
But you need more than the GB types, you also need the the 'worker' types. So robots give you the perfect coingregation, no messy humans with their doubts and disobedience, made without sexual feelings to cause gossip in the ranks.
So how about these 540 robots performing in perfect unison demonstrating the posibilities for a trouble free organisation.
You can even have high-flying 'Elder' drones keeping watch overhead for the slightest deviation. If one deviates, back to the workshop for re-programming. No need for disfellowshipping anymore.
The perfect Jesus people at last.
(Note: this was one of the performances for the Chinese New Year Concert on Chinese National Television. The city used as a background is Guangzhou in southern China).
