Posts by kenpodragon

I have seen it too. Both ways though, with the other party trying to control who my friends are. Very upsetting when you figure it out though. I was more applying it to the manipulating elders do with people relationship with their God on this though. Just as frustrating and hurtful too. Makes me sad to see what they do, and I don't even believe in Jehovah anymore. I still believe in love though.

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Dragon

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses turn God away from you

by kenpodragon in

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friends

i have a lot of friends in my life.

some are real close and some are casual friends.

in all, i still enjoy my connection with them and i enjoy the time i get to spend with them.

kenpodragon

Beck

Good thoughts indeed!! I agree and I have been very careful, human weakness though does cause me to think to much on it sometimes.

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Dragon

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses turn God away from you

by kenpodragon in

jw
friends

i have a lot of friends in my life.

some are real close and some are casual friends.

in all, i still enjoy my connection with them and i enjoy the time i get to spend with them.

kenpodragon

Mac

I agree with what say and feel very close to what you are saying.

Take Care

Dragon

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses turn God away from you

by kenpodragon in

jw
friends

i have a lot of friends in my life.

some are real close and some are casual friends.

in all, i still enjoy my connection with them and i enjoy the time i get to spend with them.

kenpodragon

I did confront the friend who said this, like you would expect they "sugar coated" their reasons. In the end though, like I mentioned, it weakened that friendship considerable.

When I left the Witnesses, I left Christianity. Nothing against Christians at all!!!! I just felt something else was right for me and made more sense in the world. To be honest, in my new type of thinking. I am actually more forgiving, although I seem to have less things to forgive for. Mainly because I have very few rules to my life and I do not wear my emotions on my sleeve.

Life is a wonderful adventure.

Dragon

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Do Jehovah's Witnesses turn God away from you

by kenpodragon in

jw
friends

i have a lot of friends in my life.

some are real close and some are casual friends.

in all, i still enjoy my connection with them and i enjoy the time i get to spend with them.

kenpodragon

I have a lot of friends in my life. Some are real close and some are casual friends. In all, I still enjoy my connection with them and I enjoy the time I get to spend with them. One time a few years ago, I was talking to a old friend I had not seen in awhile. He was kind of offish, and I asked why. He said, "well such-in-such (who was mutual friend) was upset with something I did, and said he was going to bad mouth me to you and we would no longer be friends." I was irritated at this and told him, "never think another friend can change my opinion of another, just because they have a problem. What ever friendship is between us, is just that between us." He smiled and we shock hands, and went back to a close relationship. This reminded me of something, and taught me a interesting lesson.

When Witnesses disfellowship people. They make the statement that the people are no longer in God's favor. They say that God has forsaken them and left them to perish with the world at Armageddon. I always found such statements hurtful, and I remember the pain in the eyes of the individuals. I remember the families acting as if the people had died, and mourned them like a death in the family. The elders would go along and say this to 100's of people yearly, and yet what were they really doing?

In my personal convictions now, I do not see what ever God is out there as forsakening anyone. I do not see a man sitting on a thrown in some heavenly palace, smiling over the fact that his worldly organization kicking people out for things they had weaknesses on. In fact, I see God as more of the energy of life, and it rewards for love and punishes for hate. So when I see these men sitting in the judicial committee and saying, "I think this person needs to be disfellowshipped for committing fornication." They are just people in a darkened room, trying to find a light switch that does not exist. They are not doing anything that brings joy to people, and thus I question what they think "spiritual guidance" is to be. As many know, I was a elder for a short time before I left the religion, so I know what took place in back rooms and meetings.

So I wonder something, if God is out there ... the Christian God, or any other. Do you think he would want someone talking to his friends, the people that get life from him, and saying, "we have a problem with you and thus we are going to turn God from you?" Well I do not have to think to hard on this, for I had a learning example to go by. When my friend told me what happened, I was hurt for him, but I was angry for the other friend for doing this. It strengthened my friendship with one who thought it was gone, and weakened my friendship with another who thought it was theirs to control. It helped me to see what true friendship was, and how people should only treat each other with love and never think they are more important then another.

Thus the lesson I learned, if a God is really out there, and honestly that is a huge "?" for me. I would feel a comfort in knowing that the emotions I feel on matters, would be equal if not stronger in the creator of life.

Just something to think about

Dragon

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JW's, no worse than anyone else?

by sleepy in

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as far as i can see most jw's no worse than anyone else on this planet.

humans are often in "conflict" with the opinions of other humans , believing their ideal is "right" while others are "wrong".in general the people that make up jehovahs witness, that is seperate from those leading ,are often trying to do their best to do what they think is right.this sometimes leads them to do things i believe are wrong even .but so do many other people and groups do things i think are wrong.am i the only one who is right?i think not.there are no rules to being human just choices, some based on what some feel to be scientific reality other on spiritual fealing other on something else.

who desides what is the best, is there even a best way of life?so while i belive jw's are factualy wrong and this causes them to do , what seem to me to be illogical things so do most other people just in different ways.edited by - sleepy on 1 october 2002 14:17:32.

kenpodragon

I agree!!! Who is to say what is really right or wrong. If the diversity of life has taught us only one thing, I think that is that variety is the spice of life. We have the right to believe something, and should not criticize others for feeling different. Even facts are debatable, for they all depend on perspective.

My thought

Dragon

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Looking at it through a JW's eyes..

by kelsey007 in

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scandels and dissention were prevelant in the early christian congregations.

it was fortold that wickedness would penatrate the brotherhood as the end approached.

(so therefore they have pediphiles) given 9-11 and the threats of war and on and on and on (not to mention the hurricanes) all this only means the end is fastly approaching.

kenpodragon

Kelsey

Good points! Something to add to that. I was at a assembly once, and the speaker said "people in other countries worry the most about USA Witnesses, why? Because they have it so easy they forget the meaning of their faith." What this tells you is this. People get more religious when the heat is on, and not less. When the going gets rough, people grab a hold of God.

So with all that is happening, and all that has been in the news. Yes, Witnesses do want people to do these terrible things. Not because they are sick, but because they want a reason to belief. They want something to make their faith strong. What worries me, is when things happen that we caused as Ex-Jw's. We are inadvertently doing this for them.

My thought

Dragon

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Can psychic energy heal?

by kenpodragon in

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recently i was watching a documentary on this woman who claimed that she could heal people with the power of her mind.

the documentary went into interviewing people about their experiences, and many of them actually had medical signs of improvement that could be documented and shown.

while watching this, i was seeing it as a example of psychic energy healing someone?

kenpodragon

I know exactly what your talking about. I do not know if you caught my thread on martial arts, but I am very much into it. I have a black belt in a couple of systems.

Take Care

Dragon

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Are all spirits demons playing games?

by kenpodragon in

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it is however many years ago that it takes to put you back to the witness years .... .

you come home from doing some grocery shopping, with a gallon of milk in hand.

you place it on the counter, and turn to open up the refrigerator door.

kenpodragon

Linda

Oh politics. I could discuss that all night. Frustrating what people let get by without notice, and how we as a culture are dictated in life by people who only care about "special interest" and "Christian collations." How about the limits the politicians put on things with censorships and fear. Where they push issues silently until they get so strong, you can not fight them once you realize what is going on.

Oh well, I am getting off subject. Good to here from you ... less then two months until I am "Daddy Dragon"

Take Care

Dragon