Posts by Kent

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New Sex-Scandal Coming Up In Norway!

by Kent in

a new sex-scandal is coming up in norway .

this case is not reported to the police, and as far as i know the local congregation in a small town in telemark, norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.. .

this time it's not an elder abusing children.

Kent

Perhaps one could learn from the attitude of COC and ISOCF?

Yeah, sure. You could learn how to be a hypocrite, for one thing. I was never especcially impressed by COC at all, since people who say in one sentence we did break the law, accepted bribes and so on - in the next sentence is saying: We did the best we could in an honest way - I don't trust people like that.

I have other reasons as well.

To the question at hand. It's always fun to see how the Watchtower uses the laws. When they suit them - they use them. If they don't - they don't care. Your explanation is OK to a certain degree - but only as long as you agree the Watchtower is all about money. They are calling "disassociated" people Jehovah's Witnesses just because they have not formally resigned? OK - why do they treat them like pestilence, then? They are good enough to use as a source of income - but should be "hated with a perfect hate" by the other members of the so called church?

Really a great example of great "Christians". Love is all around, right? I'm sure yoy are still working o your salvation, my friend. Defending hypocricy is a typical way, and I'm sure you know the proper name for such things. Theocratic Warfare Strategy.

Kent

http://watchtower.observer.org

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How would a JW answer , "Why does Jehovah allow children to be abused ?"

by run dont walk in

ask a jw.

why does jehovah allow our children in the congregation to be abused (physically and sexually) by others in the kingdom hall ?.

were not children, the most important to jesus and jehovah ?.

Kent

Probably something like this:

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New Sex-Scandal Coming Up In Norway!

by Kent in

a new sex-scandal is coming up in norway .

this case is not reported to the police, and as far as i know the local congregation in a small town in telemark, norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.. .

this time it's not an elder abusing children.

Kent

It should not be THAT difficult, Kent; children are one group that has to be added to the average number of publishers of the annual report, then there are the irregulars, and there are the elderly, the inactive ones, those having left but not officially - having just slipped into the state of being forgotten in stead of df'ed etc. If you say that there are some 8-900,000 below 15 years of age and 3.5 million above, that is some 23 %. IF 10,000 JW are above 15, then 2,300 are children below 15, and you have 12,500 approx. You lack - not 6,000 but 4,200. Then you can add the other groups I mentioned, and you more or less have the 15,700.

Yeah, sure! The only problem is that the Jehovah's Witnesses made a pamphlet to Norwegian authorities a while back, where they wrote that "A common way to disassociate oneself is to become inactive as a publisher". In other words, Mr. Hippie, the Watchtower - according to themself - is seeking money for people who have dissassociated themselves.

As for the ones below 15 years of age. How many JW-children doesn't deliver a service card and is harassing people by knocking their doors at the age of 15? Most ar baptized at that age or around that age - which means they have been publishers for years. And publishers are among the 10.000 you say there are officially in Norway.

And claiming money for people who just "slipped away" - that's typical the Watchtower, right? Peple who has been "forgotten" - who no longer are JWs? I can actually prove they claim money for people no longer in the congregation!

The Watchtower is as they have always been. Jehovah lives in Brooclyn, and Jehovah is always broke. Jehovah always needs money, and he don't care if he has to swindle anyone, neither if he has to be a fraudster.

Maybe you will excuse them for the stunt they made with the old lady who donated her property to them when they should bild their branch office in Enebakk, Norway as well? She gave the Watchtower her property, on the condition she should live there till she died. Well, the Watchtower needed the property, threw her out, and nobody cared one bit.

A cute international gangster organization, if you ask me.

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New Sex-Scandal Coming Up In Norway!

by Kent in

a new sex-scandal is coming up in norway .

this case is not reported to the police, and as far as i know the local congregation in a small town in telemark, norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.. .

this time it's not an elder abusing children.

Kent

What does this mean? Does the watchtower get money from the government depending on how many members it has?

Yes. In Norway we pay a tax for the church, and congregations that is outside the Church of Norway (Protestant church) get the money refunded. So, the Watchtower is every year sending in a statement telling the authorities how many members they do have in Norway.

According to the Watchtower, they have about 15.700 members in this country - and everyone who can read the Watchtower will see there is something wrong here, right?

The watchtower also claims money for "work for children" all over Norway. As we all know, the JW Congregations NEVER did any special work for children. This is something congregations can get to have special arrangements for kids, like boy scouts, and stuff like that.

Plain and simple - this is a fraud.

But then again, the JWs is known to bluff the authorities. I just made this page about another bluff by the JWs:

http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?NoCache=1&Dato=20040412&Kategori=JWANDSOCIETY10&Lopenr=40412007&Ref=AR

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New Sex-Scandal Coming Up In Norway!

by Kent in

a new sex-scandal is coming up in norway .

this case is not reported to the police, and as far as i know the local congregation in a small town in telemark, norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.. .

this time it's not an elder abusing children.

Kent

Thanks, Simon. I'm fine, but extremely busy. Had quite a lot of probs with my PCs due to thunder and lightening, which fried 3 of my PCs - unfortunately.

What I understand Norway JW done this better then in Sweden, in Norway it is a law to tell the goverment if you new something about sex abuse, in Sweden it is not.

Not long ago the Watchtower - according to the Norwegian newspaper VG - repported a child abuse case. That's - as far as I know - the first time the Watchtower has done anything like that - and it's quite clear it's because of added pressure the last year.

When the Swedish TV program was send in Norway it was no reaktion att all, what I heard, beacause in Norway the elders are forced to tell.

Actually, it was. Many papers mentioned this, and journalists were allerted. So, when a friend of mine - Roar Henriksen - just published a new book called "Gud bor i Brooklyn" (God lives in Brooklyn) it reached lots of newspapers and national TV. This because of this TV program made it more easy to take up the subject of the JWs again.

I new this from my freind how live i Norway, they say it was not any reaktion in Norway congs when this program was send, it was fare diffrent in Sweden, wher this program was going lika a choch wave in several congs.

Probably not in the congs, since they have been rather sheltered the last years. A few years back it was a hell of a lot of writings about the JWs - and, as a matter of fact, it still is. A search in Norwegian papers will show you there are "tons" of articles about JWs and paedophiles - and Norwegian cases about this. So, the JWs doesn't have a "good time" in Norway - and they are loosing members for every year. I also happen to know that "Fylkesmannen i Oslo og Akershus" - the governmental office that has to do with registration of religious churches and so on, has something coming up. They are perfectly aware the Watchtower gets paid for about 15.700 members - while the official figure in the Watchtower is about 6.000 less. They also know "publishers" will be publishers at a very young age, and as such the Norwegian JWs have to have 6.000 children below 6 years of age! Yeah - sure! Anyway, keep up the good work, folks!

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New Sex-Scandal Coming Up In Norway!

by Kent in

a new sex-scandal is coming up in norway .

this case is not reported to the police, and as far as i know the local congregation in a small town in telemark, norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.. .

this time it's not an elder abusing children.

Kent

A New Sex-Scandal Is Coming Up In Norway

This case is NOT reported to the police, and as far as I know the local congregation in a small town in Telemark, Norway - is trying to find out what to do with it.

This time it's not an elder abusing children. Rather a brother (who is still a JW in good standing) enjoying (or rather - enjoyed) having sex with his sister(s).

At the time being I can't give you any details - since it's not clear what will happen to the case. If the congregation will react (Yeah - sure!) I will see what happens. If not, they might find themselves in a difficult situation. News about this case can be leaked to media and police - and a message about it on this forum doesn't help the "loving" brothers and sisters in South Telemark a whole lot.

I'll keep you posted. My sources are solid....

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Merry X-Mas Everyone!

by Kent in

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friends

merry x-mas folks!

i'm finally finished tormenting myself for this year, and i'm leaving for 14 days holidays with my wife to a place in the sun :) .

a little information as well.

Kent

Hi Folks!

Thanks for your kind words. My wife and I are really looking forward to relax a bit, and to feel some temperatures above zero :)

As for the Watchtower Observer I'm sure I won't ever run a site like that again. It takes all too much time to keep it updated, and anyone who tries will find that out rather quickly - I'm sure Randy and others can attest to that. Strangely enough, most responses you get for running a site like the Observer is sour critic - not only from JWs and the Watchtower - but even more from Ex-JWs.

To Larc:

You said:

Kent, you have done a lot of good work. We are proud of you for that. I just wish you hadn't put up pornographic cartoons on Simon's web site. Yes, you were drunk at the time, but still, you should have known better. I do wish you and your family a very happy future.

You are not proud of anything I've done - and as for being drunk - take care of your own bottles. From what I hear I'm not the one of us having the most problem with being a drunk! You're not a person I would like to know any more than I'm unhappy enough to do already.

To the rest of you, a Merry X-Mas and a Happy New Year!

Kent

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Merry X-Mas Everyone!

by Kent in

jw
friends

merry x-mas folks!

i'm finally finished tormenting myself for this year, and i'm leaving for 14 days holidays with my wife to a place in the sun :) .

a little information as well.

Kent

Merry X-Mas Folks!

I'm finally finished tormenting myself for this year, and I'm leaving for 14 days holidays with my wife to a place in the sun :)

A little information as well. The Watchtower Observer is now dead and gone. I have closed the site down, and no material, documents, photo-copies, Pay Attention books or anything else can be seen no more. Actually, it's great not having to spend 5 hours a day to keep the site running. After 12 years online it's upon time to let it die and let others carry on.

I feel I've done my part.

Merry X-Mas

Kent

Edited by - KENT on 9 December 2002 4:41:53

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About privacy on the forum

by Simon in

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kent and his merry followers seem to have made privacy their latest crusade and unfortunately they have decided to act in a completely irresponsible manner imho.. the forum software uses cookies to remember a users login details and can also be useful for identifying duplicate accounts.

it is not used for anything sinister and cannot be used to identify someone - all it gives is an indication that a computer is being used by more than one username and has been invaluable in identifying trouble makers like mario kempes / yo yo mama / sexy teen / help others (asking for money) and many others.

i believe that this is a good thing to do as i do not believe it compromises anyones privacy and does help prevent everyone wasting their time responding to people who are just "yanking our chain".. apart from the accounts that you have seen and know there are many more that you may not be aware of.

Kent

Kent and his merry followers seem to have made privacy their latest crusade and unfortunately they have decided to act in a completely irresponsible manner IMHO.
The forum software uses cookies to remember a users login details and can also be useful for identifying duplicate accounts. it is not used for anything sinister and cannot be used to identify someone - all it gives is an indication that a computer is being used by more than one username

Since you attack me and my "merry followers" - can you please tell me what I wrote that contradict your own statemnent? And what did I say that you feel proper to call "irresponsible"?

Kent

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USA Pride / Euro Concerns

by Amazing in

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friends

most of the criticism of the usa seems to come from our european brothers and sisters.

i call them such because they primarily settled our continient and are our ancestors.

i have noticed some trends in this and find some fair things on their part for americans to consider.

Kent

Please don't force more American cultural terrorism on the rest of the world.

It's bad enough that we have to put up with your dots per inch, picas, points, ciceros, nails, ens, ems, ells, letter size, legal size, tabloid size, microns, angstroms, inches, fingers, hands, feet, yards, furlongs, poles, fathoms, links, chains, acres, perches, roods, light-years, astronomical units, milesthere's even a nautical mile!as well as your pints, quarts, barrels, hogsheads, firkins, pottles, bottles, half bottles, tots, shots, fifths, magnums, carafes, jeroboams, minims, gills, nebuchadnezzars, methuselahs, pecks, bushels, quarters, sacks. And even your very own gallon, different in size from that other one.

Carats, grains, drams, ounces, pounds, stones, hundredweights, long tons, short tons, bars, tors, atmospheres, pounds per square inch, horsepower, cycles, Fahrenheits, BTU's, even the inane and flawed pounds of thrust and g's. Even when Americans do use a metric unit, they get it wrong.

Look, I'm not trying to be unkind. I'm just trying to explain why many people don't understand shit of what you're talking about.