Posts by kes152

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Adam to be Resurrected - Yes?

by Focus in

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will adam be resurrected?.

focus.

(anti-flipfloppery class)

kes152

bjc2012:

you asked:

Just where in the scriptures is this statement to be found?

your answer:

John 5:28, 29
Revelation 20:12

you then said:

"1 Corinthians 15:45 specifically states that there is another 'Adam.' Paul states: "It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a living soul.' The last Adam became a lifegiving spirit." If the first Adam is to be resurrected, why is there a need for another Adam? Verse 22 of this same chapter states: "For just as in Adam all are dying, so also in the Christ all will be made alive."

You are assuming that "resurrection" results in one recieving everlasting life. That is incorrect. Resurrection means "standing up [again]." Those who come out of death, had'es and the sea were 'resurrected' or released from the "world of the dead." Although resurrected, if their name is not written in the scroll of the Lamb, their resurrection will prove to be a "resurrection to judgement" and thus, the lake of fire. No one is "destroyed" until they have been judged worthy of such. This judgement will not take place until Judgement Day.

Adam was 'sentenced' due to his sins in the flesh. Adam has not been judged with reference to his 'sins in the spirit.' Such judgement will not take place until Judgement Day. "For it is appointed for man to die once, and AFTER this the judgement." (Heb. 9:27)

you also said:

"Will Jesus' blood cover his sin? I don't think so! "

Perhaps you don't yet understand this, but, you are not THE JUDGE. You CANNOT say who Jesus' blood will cover and who Jesus blood won't cover.

Jesus said:

"WHOMEVER believes in me is not to be judged. Whomever does not believe in me has been judged already because he has not believed in the only begotten Son of God."

"Whomever," is whomever, anyone is ANYONE (including Adam). Also, the Father himself said:

"I will show mercy upon WHOMEVER I do have mercy, and I will show compassion upon WHOMEVER I do show compassion."

So if God wants to show mercy and let the blood of Adam's brother atone for Adam's sins in the spirit, WHO ARE YOU?!

The revelation given to the Son of God made it very clear that the Adversary would be destroyed, but that revelation DID NOT say Adam would be thrown into the lake of fire.

you also said:

") In effect, he took the place of Adam because Adam will never see the light of day again. Adam was never promised anything other than 'you will return to dust.' (Genesis 3:19)"

Indeed, his flesh returned to the dust, and his spirit "returned to the true God who gave it." And that spirit awaits its judgement together with all the other 'spirits in prision.'

Jesus did not 'take the place of Adam' for Adam was not granted "all authority in heaven and on earth" nor was Adam going to be "responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him." Adam was a 'son of God' born in the manner of flesh. Jesus was Adam's brother 'born in the manner of spirit.' Adam relinquished his everlasting spirit to "fulfill the desires of his flesh." While Adam's brother "denied his flesh" and did what was good in the spirit.

If God wants to, he can allow Jesus' love for his brother cover the sins of his brother. For it is God's decision, not yours nor mine.

Peace to you,
Aaron

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Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

by lookingnow22 in

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friends

i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

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after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

kes152

1. IF the Bible is true (which it's not), then this battle between Jehovah and Satan is just that--a battle between Jehovah and Satan. Humans were innocent pawns in the affairs of the supernatural. Humans were used, and because they were not supernatural, they had no control.

Actually, the battle is NOT between Jehovah and Satan. It never was. The battle is over a heavenly kingdom that was promised to "us" the 'heirs' of which ALL MANKIND is invited to, in union with his Son, the "firstborn heir."

The Adversary wanted that kingdom for himself, so the only way he could get a 'hold' of it, would be to DESTROY those who were already promised that kingdom, so as to SNATCH it away from them. The best way to do that would be to 'mislead' man with respects the kind of 'being' their Father is, so that he can 'gather' all mankind to "feed" his father Death. Of whom the Adversary is High Priest. humans are given a choice, life or death. The Son is life, and Death brings death, the One who will consume them alive.

The ONLY reason this earth, the sky, plants, animals, UNIVERSE, you, I, everyone and thing here is stll here is because The Father has placed a "hedge" over ALL of it. He has appointed a time for this "heaven AND earth" to flee and when it does, it will be fed to the One who is Death, God's "last enemy." When all finally REFUSE God's hedge saying they don't want it anymore, God will remove that hedge like he did with Pharoah's son, and Death will come and consume them all. Then, Death will be "brought to nothing."

2. The idea of putting trees in a garden to temp humans is cruel and dysfunctional. It imputes wrong motives. A moral and loving God would not do this. (To hell with the JW God-needed-to-establish-his-headship bullshit).

You are correct, God did NOT need to establish his "headship" for such was ALREADY recognized. What was the tree of knowledge for? It wasn't for Adam, for God INTENDED to raise Adam to be just like Him, 'knowing good' and 'hating bad.' The "tree of knowledge" was for any offspring that didn't want life (disobedient offspring). They would not be permitted to eat from the tree of life, but from the tree of knowledge. Unfortunately, Adam did not want to wait for his Father to raise him, instead, he "reached out" for 'knowing good AND knowing bad' and did not think about the consequences it would bring upon him AND his offspring. He did not want to "hate bad" he wanted to 'know bad.' Thus, the very inclination of man is "bad all the time." God did not 'tempt' Adam, the Adversary did. Adam had it WELL WITHIN himself to "hate bad" and obey his Father. Instead, he took what was not his to have, yet (stealing), and thus brought sin and death to himself AND his offspring.

3. To punish billions of human beings for the sins of one man is ludicrous. If your adult son murdered someone, would you also execute his children (your grandchildren) also? Of course not! We are individuals with individual rights and free will.

You are correct, and God DID not punish billions of humans for ONE man's sin. God has set a day, and time in which he WILL punish those who sinned against him and his Son. He also has set a time to give to each one "according to his deeds." Those who did not WANT forgiveness (like the Pharisees) will not get it. They will get exactly what they ask for, "death." For "anything you ask for in my name, I will do this." Those who want life, will get life. Those who WANT death, will get death.

4. IF God is love, then where the hell is He when so many people are suffering so terribly? Where is he for the little girl or boy who is sexually assaulted or raped? Where the hell is he when a parent loses a child to some disease; or a child loses a parent? (I could go on, and damn it, I think I will!)

He says to give you:

Psalms 4:4
John 9:1-3
Romans 11:32

5. Where the hell is God when the tears of pain stream down one's cheeks, begging and imploring Him for some comfort and a way out of some terrible situation?

Psalms 34:18

6. Where the hell is God when the little girl is raped in front of her mother in Sierra Leone, and then has her forearms chopped off?

Isaiah 1:24

7. What excuse is there for God telling Moses to kill all the little Medianite boys, fathers, mothers, sisters, and any girl or woman who wasn't a virgin, only to become a sex slave to the Israelites? Why, the human Israelites had more compassion than did God, because at first, they wouldn't do it! (Read "Atrocities of the Bible" at TruthQuest)

Num. 25:17, 18 The Father was repaying the wicked treatment that fell upon the Israelites DUE TO the Midianites. An "eye for eye" thing.

8. There is no excuse for God to allow human suffering and death, simply because he can "undo" it and make it as if it never happened (even more JW bullshit). Such a God is morally reprehensible and owes any sentient being an explanation (just before He is executed for crimes against humanity).

Perhaps you didn't know this, but Humans suffer because they WANT to suffer. They don't want to belong to Christ, they want to belong to 'another.' That 'owner' they have that let's you do whatever your corruptible flesh craves, is responsible for humans suffering and dying. God takes care of His 'own.' The 'other' does not care for his 'own.'

May you have peace,
Aaron

82

Has anyone felt like leaving God altogether?

by lookingnow22 in

jw
friends

i know that the answer is yes, but it would help me to hear your sentiments on this.

.

after you decided that the wbts, and thus jw's were not god's chosen earthly organization did you feel like you wanted to leave and forget god altogether?.

kes152

"To WHOM (not 'where') shall we go away to?"

I have NO ONE else to "go away" to, I stick to my Lord and his Father, NOT because i have any fear for his wrath, nor because i feel a 'need' to belive in something.

I have NO fear for the wrath of God, for such wrath is not upon me. I already KNOW who I am and I KNOW where I am from. I have even 'seen' some of it and I truly know who and WHERE my Father is.

I have had a 'taste' of their realm of which they live, and I will give ANYTHING to go back there. But, if i did go back now, no one would "bear witness" of my Lord to my neighbor.

It is for this reason I CANNOT leave my Father and my Lord. They have so much love for everyone on this board and cry "day AND night" for all of you, because no one is seeking them. They offer their hands to you all, over and over again, and IF you listen, you only listen for a season.

But when he brings to your attention errors that YOU need to correct, you literally "push him out" and go as if you never heard him.

Thus you 'remain' in the darkness, walking as blind "men" not seeing 'light.' One thing is for sure:

He told me to tell you all that his love for you still remains, that he knows ALL of your hearts (you too, Fred Hall) and that he understands "where you are coming from" with regard to being 'misled' and then not looking for him.

He has a loyal love. So no matter how many times you will do wrong, he will ALWAYS ask for you to return to him. Of course, it is your choice to do so or not.

Neither he nor I will 'force' you, you have to WANT it.

I have nothing more to say, until next time,

My peace remains....
Aaron

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Dear Brother "You Know"

by AMNESIAN in

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brother, please, if you would, inform as to exactly what your genuine view is of the wbts and, particularly, the gb in relation to bible prophecy, christianity, and its self-professed role as the so-called "fds" and sole spokesman for jehovah?

much of what you post (or, at least, the posts i've read) is clearly at tremendous odds with their published teachings, yet, on its face, your position seems to be as one of their staunchest defenders/supporters.

i don't wish to in any way ridicule you ---there's a bit too much of that around here (from you included!

kes152

In all seriousness Mr. Fred Hall,

When I was JW it was VERY important that whenever "anyone" ("apostates" included) threw mud at God's people, "we" would 'turn the other cheek,' and leave it to God, OTHERWISE we are NO different than they are.

For my Lord said,

"If you love those (JWs) loving you (fellow JWs), of what good is it? Are not the NATIONS doing the same thing?"

I took this VERY seriously when I was a JW. Although I'm out now, I STILL love all you JWs that are in the organization. I consider none of you my enemies, although certain elders and Witnesses made themselves enemies of me by hindering my partaking and speaking abusively of me.

I don't blame them for their 'hidden' jealousy, but when the same 'invitation' is offered to them, they run. And yet if I accept the 'invitation' of my Lord, they're angry.

Yet, and still, I love them and SHOW that love to them, for that is what a "true son of God" does. And I personally would have NO problem showing love to you and You Know.

I don't know if you will take me seriously now, Fred Hall, but you are free to if you wish to. If you take me seriously, I accept your love. If not,

My peace remains, upon you AND your entire household.....
Aaron

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Adam to be Resurrected - Yes?

by Focus in

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friends

will adam be resurrected?.

focus.

(anti-flipfloppery class)

kes152

My Lord says that Adam will indeed "stand before the throne of God on Judgement Day. For ALL are resurrected, some to life, and everyone else to judgement.

All will be resurrected, now as to whether Adam will recieve "life" or not ... will be determined/announced on Judgement Day.

The same will happen with all those "destroyed" in the flesh such as Sodom and Gomorrah, Cannanites, Edomites, etc. All will stand before the Judgement seat. And the Judge will decide who gets life, and who doesn't.

Peace to you,
Aaron

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True Prophecy

by littleone in

"for no matter how many the promises of god are, they have become yes by means of him.

therefore also through him is the "amen" [said] to god for glory through us.

"-2 cor 1:20.

kes152

Hallelu-Jah!!!!

James, my spirit BEARS WITNESS with the truth you have spoken! Let EVERY LIVING THING PRAISE JAH!!!!!

Whenever I was presented before the Father, the Son always came to me first and invited me to enter their realm. He explained to me that when the time comes, he will go to certain individuals and literally bring them before his Father in heaven. No one can present themselves before the Father unless the High Priest (Jesus) brings you.

Also my Lord mentioned to me that when he said ALL authority in heaven and on earth was given him, that included recieving glory, honor, blessings, spirits of men, becoming a Savior, a God, a High Priest, etc.

Revelation 5:9, 10
Acts 7:59 (compare with Eccl. 12:7)
Isaiah 9:6
Hebrews 3:1
Hebrews 5:9

James, I thought you might like this .... did you ever consider that the "gospel" of John is actually the 2nd half of the Revelation? Our Lord told him to "write down the things you SAW, the things that are, ...etc. John 1:1 through John 21:24 are the "things that he saw."

When you read Revelation, John, and 1 John, you can actually "hear" the spirit within you confirming everything the Master said. Pretty neat!

May Jah through our Lord bless you all!!
Aaron

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Wisdom Personified

by ozziepost in

the next time a householder says to you: everyone has his own interpretation of the bible, how will you respond?

perhaps you will use the suggestion from the reasoning book (page 65) you might reply: and obviously not all of them are right.

you might add: twisting the scriptures to fit our own ideas can result in lasting harm .

kes152

No problem pomegranate;

my question to you is:

"how was it this snake didn't crawl on its belly BEFORE it was cursed?"

Genesis 3:14

Peace to you,
Aaron

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Gopher, Littleone, et. al.

by kes152 in

i was 'moved' to share with you the words of my lord.. he said:.

"i am the living bread that came down from heaven so that anyone may eat of it and not die.. unless you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves.. whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and i will resurrect him on the last day.. for my flesh is true food indeed, and my blood is true drink indeed.. whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me and i in union with him.. this is the true food that came down from heaven.

if anyone eats of it he will live for ever.".

kes152

I was 'moved' to share with you the words of my Lord.

He said:

"I am the living bread that came down from heaven so that anyone may eat of it and not die.

Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no LIFE in yourselves.

Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day.

For my flesh is true food indeed, and my blood is true drink indeed.

Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me and I in union with him.

THIS is the true food that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of it he will live for ever."

And what is his "flesh" and "blood?"

He said:

"Take this and eat it, for this IS my body that is given in your behalf.

Drink out of this all of you, for this IS my blood that is poured out for forgiveness of sins. Keep doing this in memory of me."

My understanding is that you all want to live for ever and that you all want to remain in union with him and have him remain in union with you. This is what I was given to show you. Test the spirit to see if it originates with God

John 6:50-58
Matt. 26:26-28

Then do what you "hear" the spirit tell you.

Peace to you all,
Aaron

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Wisdom Personified

by ozziepost in

the next time a householder says to you: everyone has his own interpretation of the bible, how will you respond?

perhaps you will use the suggestion from the reasoning book (page 65) you might reply: and obviously not all of them are right.

you might add: twisting the scriptures to fit our own ideas can result in lasting harm .

kes152

Hi pomegranate:

you said:

If Satan could use a serpent to talk through to Eve, and we know the serpent wasn't Satan, but it WAS Satan talking, do you think God in His power could have used a burning bush angel as the visual to talk to Moses through, as the same type of tool Satan used.

By human terms: Ventriloquism.

However, my Lord said:

"The Adversary WAS that serpent. A serpent is NOT a snake. For if a serpent was a snake ..... how then can a snake be cursed to crawl on its belly if it already does that?"

A "serpent" is actually a "seraph." Certain angels with wings that are fire colored and have the appearance of a 'snake.' Hence, they are MORE liken to 'dragons.' Snakes with legs (a lizard) then add wings, you have a dragon.

Peace,
Aaron

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True Prophecy

by littleone in

"for no matter how many the promises of god are, they have become yes by means of him.

therefore also through him is the "amen" [said] to god for glory through us.

"-2 cor 1:20.

kes152

Hey Gopher:

I wonder, since one who brings honor to the Son brings honor to his Father, and you cannot approach the Father and ignore the Son.....isn't it really a matter of "semantics"?

I asked my Lord on this one, and he said, "No, but it is a matter of knowing your 'place' in relation to me and my Father. Giving glory to the Son, glorifies my Father. Anyone who honors the Son, is honored by my Father."

He also provided this scripture in John 6:57

"Just as the living Father sent me forth and I live BECAUSE of the Father, so also he that feeds on me that one will live BECAUSE of me."

If we feed on his flesh and drink his blood, we are "living" because of him.

Littleone;

you said:

In order to immerse one in the Father's name (Jehovah-Yahweh-Yehowah) we must bear witness to him.

Do you have the scripture that says 'in order to be immersed in the name of the Father you MUST bear witness to him?'

You are correct that Jesus bore witness to the Father. This was because Jesus lived BECAUSE of that one. We however, feed on Jesus. Thus, we live BECAUSE of him.

John 6:57

He said to mention to you Acts 5:27, 40

".. and they summoned the apostles, flogged them, and ordered them to stop teaching on the BASIS of Jesus' name."

He said teaching on the 'basis' of his name means that EVERYTHING that someone teaches has everything to do with him. He is the whole 'core' and purpose of the teaching. He is literally the 'base' of which the teaching stems from. This is why holy spirit bore witness to him saying:

"There is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Thus, if we want to bear witness to this 'life' and this salvation, we must bear witness to the Son. For the Son IS the "everlasting life" that was WITH the Father and has been made manifest to us.

1 John 1:2

Just so you know, I'm not saying that we should NEVER bear witness of the Father, for the Father is in union with the Son. Our testimony should 'primarily' be directed to the Son, because he is ABSOLUTELY necessary in order for ANYTHING good to occur from the Father.

Before, God spoke to his people by means of the prophets (channel of communication?). Today, he speaks to his people by means of a Son. Just like the prophets spoke the words coming from the Father, and we were 'admonished' to hear them, so the words today come directly from the Son, and we must 'admonish' all of the words he speaks to us from the heavens.

Hebrews 1:2
Hebrews 12:25

Peace to both of you,
Aaron