thats my opinion because the wts really has been preaching false information now for so long about the end times and armageddon soon.. also the doctrine that jesus chirt has taken a position over his earthly and heavenly kingdom in 1914 .... etc.
its been a winfall marketing scheme for such a long time, which now really doesn't have much leg to stand on.. time in conjunction with reality has made the wts's doctrines redundantly weak or useless more or less.. i'm even believing the leaders of the wts are even starting to know this for themselves.. the wts future and its main supporting pieces of literature, the watchtower and awake magazines may eventually be tossed aside.
for some new doctrines as well newly named pieces of literature .
Hey Gladiator... I agree bro.... I think that enough people will always fight on for the truth. But clearly the dumbing down is in full effect. As soon as the shunning is pushed by the wayside, they will be another harmless little offshoot religion. When shunning and the blood doctrine are turned into conscience matters I would even .... well I wont go that far.
pbrow
i've heard the expression jdub coming out of the mouths of a couple of witnesses.
does it mean they know stuff about this organization and could possible be visiting sites such as jwd?.
this is leading me to believe that there are a lot more witnesses that have realized that their religion is a scam..
I was a born in (around 1980) and almost all my dub friends used the term. I still use the term but now my ex tells my kids that its disrespectful to say it. I just tell them its not disprectful to say your a student at "udub" for uw wisconsin. That seems to have put the issue to rest in their minds.
pbrow
i am just curious about this because although i agree with many of the posters here that the wt society is guilty of many horrible deeds, i still believe they are right when it comes to doctrinal things as i mention.
especially hellfire.
i just don't see how anybody that has studied the bible for many years like many of the ex-jws here can make an about face and go back to believing hellfire.
What is so difficult for me to understand is how anyone can think a book.... initially written by man in a forgotten language copied over and over and over and over and over and over and over again..... can have any credibility with people describing thoughts that were written 2000 years ago. If the bible was only a second edition reprint, maybe... maybe some of the original concepts would have survived.
Booker.... If you make a judgement on "god" by implying that he is not all loving if he allows hellfire or whatever doctrine you are looking at, then how can I not judge "god" by how he can hold anyone accountable for beliefs or concepts that have been passed down by litterally making copies of copies of copies of copies of copies? We really have no clue what the "bible" says..... or more appropriately what the bible said.
Maybe god really does hate fags or he really does want to burn people forever but if their really is a god I cannot think of a worse way to relay what he wants us all to do than by giving it to some female hating arabs over 2000 years ago, allowing the original to be misplaced and then have a bunch of control freak, power hungry morons copying its copies ad nauseum until our present day.
pbrow
i will cut to the chase quite quickly.. i was a jw up until 2007 when i officially cut my ties, although i was a regular visitor to this site for 3-4 years beforehand.. i married a jw in 2004, had a child, and in 2007 we separated and divorced.
my daughter went to live with her mother.. my ex-wife also left the jw's in 2007 following the breakdown of our marriage.. my daughter is six now and i speak to her every week on the phone - she lives 100+ miles away from me with her mother, her step-father and two younger siblings.. i live with my partner and my two-year-old son.. during school holidays, my daughter comes to stay with me for sometimes a week or on occasions longer.. her maternal, great-grandmother and great auntie are staunch/strict jw's and i know they have been trying to fill my daughters head with watchtower teachings for the past couple of years.. i have contacted her mother and made it clear that i am not happy with this approach.
my daughter celebrates christmas/birthdays etc and any jw teaching is going to be contradictory to this.
Uk, i feel for you but if you are two hours away and dont have almost daily contact with her you have a huge uphill battle. As you are finding out, you can send letters, leave messages, cease and desist or have your ex "lay down the law" but unless you are close to enforce it you have a tough road ahead of you. The devout jw does not give two shits about your being the father. After all your child will be told "Your father doesnt love you enough to live near you" "your father doesnt love Jehovah" I was in a similar situation although I lived alot farther away. I made the move a few years ago and believe me brother, it was worth it. If you have a kid that there is the slightest possibility they will be taught the jw lifestyle then there is nothing more important than getting them out. NOTHING!!
Good luck,
pbrow
the rhetoric today is as strict as ever.
don't go to college and don't have kids.
pioneer as this system winds to an end.
Hey lamb
I agree. My kids still go to meetings with their mother but I can see them thinking their way through some of the doctrines that dont make sense. Cognitive dissonance works when they are surrounded by the bubble. When kids are encouraged by ANYONE to finish their thought process to completion it goes a long way towards making them immune to the jw model. Pop the bubble!
pbrow
it turns out that this isn't a common occurrence at these things.
don't get me wrong, i still had a good time.
but i was so looking forward to seeing my first decapitation..
keyser... at my kids first birthday party when she was 6 i was actually worried that there would be a car accident or some other freak thing and a person would get decapitated in front of the pizza joint we went to!
I am happy to report both my kids love birthdays now but I just know the first birthday they goto with a beheading ill be in trouble!
pbrow
i have an ad on craigslist, someone responded to my ad.
she knows the neighborhood pretty good and we already traded some pics, but i have the feeling that she is a scam artist.
she only send me half of her face(nice mouth and teeth but not her nose, eyes, hair) and a very nice body.
I am still waiting for the website that you are going to try and get us all to click on but then I see that you have 2500 posts, so im guessing you are legit. So my next thought is "you are actually serious about this?"
pbrow
on monday i'm going to register to vote since i'm able to do so when i renew my drivers license.
i'm actually kind of excited since i never did register because of they way i was brought up.. how many of you are registered to vote?.
yes I am, red or blue, excercise your new found personal freedom!!
remember local elections are far more important to your daily life than national elections!
congratulations!
pbrow
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/11/george-zimmerman-new-mugshot_n_1419402.html.
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he does look guilty to me.
Morbid , I think you hit the nail on the head! This is somehow turned into a political issue. Let this play out in local courts and be done with it. Zimmerman was clearly a volly cop buff but there is not a nation wide epidemic of volly neighborhood watchmen killing young black men. It should be handled locally and our opinions are worth about as much as a pound of miracle wheat. There is however a nationwide epidimic of poor blacks shooting poor blacks. Maybe the new black panthers could focus on shoring up the father figures in their community instead of putting a bounty on a man who has been convicted of NOTHING. Maybe its the 1%er's fault.... Speaking of 1%ers, maybe Sharpton and Jackson could focus on that instead but I dont think that gets them as much publicity.
pbrow
whenever i talk to a jw when i rarely see one i bri g up the laws in the ot, like raping of virgins in deut being ok and forced to marry the rapist.
it seems they just are not aware of these laws or any in depth the history or customs of the ancient jews.
is the wts ashamed of the ot and the truth about the jews ?.
JW's love the old testament!! That is how they are to worship because the new testament is not written to 99% of them. I think they chalk up those "few" odd stories up to "we cant think we know more than Jehovah!!"
pbrow
