Posts by pbrow

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Deprogramming kids when JWs came knocking

by RayPublisher in

so i had my two daughters with me this weekend (their jw mom has them the next one) and it was saturday morning around 10am and i said let's have a short "daddy school" on how to do research on the internet.

so they were plopped on each side of me and my laptop and i was inbetween and was showing them how you can type in "jehovah's witnesses" or "watchtower society" and get lots of vids off youtube on these things and that they can always do their own research if they have any questions on the things they hear at the kh when their mother takes them.. so we were watching one and right then there was a knock at the door and it was two teenage jw girls (from a neighboring cong) offering the magazines... very funny!

my oldest got rid of them and they were giggling and laughing about how weird it was that they would show up right then.. the jws are popping up everywhere in my life lately, ie, at the store, at the mall, at the gym, etc.

pbrow

Ray, I agree, show them how to do research and yes the mother will probably amp up her devoutness. I would suggest not only teaching them critical thinking skills but also fill their lives up all that life has to offer! B-days, holidays, sleepovers with "worldly kids", sports, band, orchestra, student council or anything else that schools or communities have to offer. That has worked wonders for my children. They have so much to fill up their lives that they look at the jdub world now and IT is the odd world, not the other way around. Their mother is getting more and more strict but after they are exposed to what a normal life looks like they will never choose the jw world.

Good luck!

pbrow

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WTS Loses Money By Disfellowshipping Info.

by mind blown in

jw
friends

hello, i found this info interesting from a spanish xjw site and thought it may be of interest to you too?

i used bing language translator.

i assume when the post below refers to commissions judicatives, they may be referring to jc?.

pbrow

Hey yomamma... I would disagree with you on the mass exodus. I know it sounds weird but if the threat of shunning is lifted than people dont have to hide their true thoughts and feelings. Seperate from the blood issue, the jw would just fall in line with the other many other religions that oddly enough people want to worship in. The religion becomes somewhat mainstream. No coersion thru fear so no reason to leave if you dont agree with everyone else. People really do want to belong to a religion and from the many comments on this board.... many witnesses still beleive that "JW's follow the bible the closest even thought they get some things wrong" (excuse me as i just threw up a little in my mouth)

pbrow

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just an observation

by pontoon in

i see a lot of posts about lack of zeal, slacking in fs, just going through the motions...........i have really not seen that in my old congregation up to the time i stopped attending two yrs ago, but i believe that could be the exception.

however, a bethel career sister and a young local brother, a ms and doing all the right things in the congregation (who i was friends with) stopped at my house, caught me up with chit chat and this young bro told me about his changing jobs because he wanted a retirement.

about 38 years ago when i was his age i never believed i would need a retirement in this "old system.

pbrow

pontoon..... The wife and I went up north this weekend to see some of her friends. One of her friends was raised a dub although she got out much sooner than me, i think when she was 16. It was interesting to talk with her about how when we were both young we both felt that there was no way we were going to see 20 years old. I remember making a bet with someone that we would not see our 20th birthday in this system.

Its good to see that people are waking up even if they dont fully realize it yet.

pbrow

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The biggest enemy the Watchtower Corporation faces now is "The Truth"

by Finkelstein in

thats my opinion because the wts really has been preaching false information now for so long about the end times and armageddon soon.. also the doctrine that jesus chirt has taken a position over his earthly and heavenly kingdom in 1914 .... etc.

its been a winfall marketing scheme for such a long time, which now really doesn't have much leg to stand on.. time in conjunction with reality has made the wts's doctrines redundantly weak or useless more or less.. i'm even believing the leaders of the wts are even starting to know this for themselves.. the wts future and its main supporting pieces of literature, the watchtower and awake magazines may eventually be tossed aside.

for some new doctrines as well newly named pieces of literature .

pbrow

Hey Gladiator... I agree bro.... I think that enough people will always fight on for the truth. But clearly the dumbing down is in full effect. As soon as the shunning is pushed by the wayside, they will be another harmless little offshoot religion. When shunning and the blood doctrine are turned into conscience matters I would even .... well I wont go that far.

pbrow

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the expression "JDUB"

by wannaexit in

jw
friends

i've heard the expression jdub coming out of the mouths of a couple of witnesses.

does it mean they know stuff about this organization and could possible be visiting sites such as jwd?.

this is leading me to believe that there are a lot more witnesses that have realized that their religion is a scam..

pbrow

I was a born in (around 1980) and almost all my dub friends used the term. I still use the term but now my ex tells my kids that its disrespectful to say it. I just tell them its not disprectful to say your a student at "udub" for uw wisconsin. That seems to have put the issue to rest in their minds.

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How many ex-jws poster here now believe in Hellfire, immortality of soul, trinity, etc;

by booker-t in

jw
friends

i am just curious about this because although i agree with many of the posters here that the wt society is guilty of many horrible deeds, i still believe they are right when it comes to doctrinal things as i mention.

especially hellfire.

i just don't see how anybody that has studied the bible for many years like many of the ex-jws here can make an about face and go back to believing hellfire.

pbrow

What is so difficult for me to understand is how anyone can think a book.... initially written by man in a forgotten language copied over and over and over and over and over and over and over again..... can have any credibility with people describing thoughts that were written 2000 years ago. If the bible was only a second edition reprint, maybe... maybe some of the original concepts would have survived.

Booker.... If you make a judgement on "god" by implying that he is not all loving if he allows hellfire or whatever doctrine you are looking at, then how can I not judge "god" by how he can hold anyone accountable for beliefs or concepts that have been passed down by litterally making copies of copies of copies of copies of copies? We really have no clue what the "bible" says..... or more appropriately what the bible said.

Maybe god really does hate fags or he really does want to burn people forever but if their really is a god I cannot think of a worse way to relay what he wants us all to do than by giving it to some female hating arabs over 2000 years ago, allowing the original to be misplaced and then have a bunch of control freak, power hungry morons copying its copies ad nauseum until our present day.

pbrow

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JW family indoctrination is harming my daughter

by uk_ex_jw in

i will cut to the chase quite quickly.. i was a jw up until 2007 when i officially cut my ties, although i was a regular visitor to this site for 3-4 years beforehand.. i married a jw in 2004, had a child, and in 2007 we separated and divorced.

my daughter went to live with her mother.. my ex-wife also left the jw's in 2007 following the breakdown of our marriage.. my daughter is six now and i speak to her every week on the phone - she lives 100+ miles away from me with her mother, her step-father and two younger siblings.. i live with my partner and my two-year-old son.. during school holidays, my daughter comes to stay with me for sometimes a week or on occasions longer.. her maternal, great-grandmother and great auntie are staunch/strict jw's and i know they have been trying to fill my daughters head with watchtower teachings for the past couple of years.. i have contacted her mother and made it clear that i am not happy with this approach.

my daughter celebrates christmas/birthdays etc and any jw teaching is going to be contradictory to this.

pbrow

Uk, i feel for you but if you are two hours away and dont have almost daily contact with her you have a huge uphill battle. As you are finding out, you can send letters, leave messages, cease and desist or have your ex "lay down the law" but unless you are close to enforce it you have a tough road ahead of you. The devout jw does not give two shits about your being the father. After all your child will be told "Your father doesnt love you enough to live near you" "your father doesnt love Jehovah" I was in a similar situation although I lived alot farther away. I made the move a few years ago and believe me brother, it was worth it. If you have a kid that there is the slightest possibility they will be taught the jw lifestyle then there is nothing more important than getting them out. NOTHING!!

Good luck,

pbrow

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think they'll encourage JWs to have kids?

by outsmartthesystem in

jw
friends

the rhetoric today is as strict as ever.

don't go to college and don't have kids.

pioneer as this system winds to an end.

pbrow

Hey lamb

I agree. My kids still go to meetings with their mother but I can see them thinking their way through some of the doctrines that dont make sense. Cognitive dissonance works when they are surrounded by the bubble. When kids are encouraged by ANYONE to finish their thought process to completion it goes a long way towards making them immune to the jw model. Pop the bubble!

pbrow

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I attended a friend's birthday party, and no one was beheaded!

by keyser soze in

jw
friends

it turns out that this isn't a common occurrence at these things.

don't get me wrong, i still had a good time.

but i was so looking forward to seeing my first decapitation..

pbrow

keyser... at my kids first birthday party when she was 6 i was actually worried that there would be a car accident or some other freak thing and a person would get decapitated in front of the pizza joint we went to!

I am happy to report both my kids love birthdays now but I just know the first birthday they goto with a beheading ill be in trouble!

pbrow

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She might be a scam artist

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

i have an ad on craigslist, someone responded to my ad.

she knows the neighborhood pretty good and we already traded some pics, but i have the feeling that she is a scam artist.

she only send me half of her face(nice mouth and teeth but not her nose, eyes, hair) and a very nice body.

pbrow

I am still waiting for the website that you are going to try and get us all to click on but then I see that you have 2500 posts, so im guessing you are legit. So my next thought is "you are actually serious about this?"

pbrow