Posts by clearpoison

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what is the wt's stance on dubs visiting historic churches?

by moomanchu in

i drives me crazy when jw's go on tours of historic churches, the vatican, or mosques .

they go in the church take pics, and oooo and ahhhhh over the buildings.. why the f_ _ _k are they expressing awe and wonder at what they believe to be satan's world headquarters .. don't they know jehovah is soon about to destroy all these architectural wonders.. jw relative has just come back from visiting the vatican.. stupid cult aaahhh !!.

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clearpoison

I was never thinking there would be something wrong about visiting churches. I just didn't bought the candles as usual tourists. On the other hand I could very well buy cards or guidebooks about those places, without thinking where the money was going, me and my hardened heart.

Regarding the concept of paying to Great Babylon, it's little mixed feelings. I live in a country where majority of hospitals are state or community owned, but how would a concious JW act in US where many hospitals are owned by different churches. On the other hand in some places here graveyards are church property, they need to allow non-members being buried there, but you pay for the grave space to the church anyway. So in one way or another you are sending your money to Great Babylon.

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BOE LTR Dec 26, 2010 "Increased Activity April 2011"....Transcript....

by yknot in

in an effort to increase the praise and honor to jehovah and jesus christ at the time of the memorial, the governing body has arranged for a special period of increased activity during april 2011.

you will be pleased to learn that during april 2011, publishers who wish to serve as auxiliary pioneers may indicate on the application whether they will be working toward a 30-hour or 50-hour requirement for the month.

this is a special arrangement for the month of april 2011 only.

clearpoison

Yes, away are those days when it was advertised that it's only two hours per day, can you imagine just two hours each day in service to run aux-pioneering. Now, even just for one special month, it will be reduced to just one hour a day. It's easy to fill by talking to your co-workers in each coffee break, same in school with your fellow students, or by skipping your daily one-hour surfing on this site and going out for casual witnessing with your dog.

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Another Bad Witness - Elder School on Christmas Day?

by LostGeneration in

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had a brief conversation with by jw father a few days ago, unfortunately still an uber witness and as a cboe he has nothing else in his life.. he brought out that he was getting ready for the elders school.

not sure if he was bragging or wanted sympathy for having to go.

lol.. i didn't press him on the details, though i wanted to ask if they would be covering all 7 chapters in the new manual on how to df people.

clearpoison

For some this might even be a relief. There is valid non-discussable reason to be away from family. It could even save some domestic beating. Holiday times staring eachother for too long can be stressful.

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Got "THE letter" ....how to proceed?

by 2pink in

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my husband and i faded/mysteriously disappeared from meetings over a year ago.

we've had a few visits from elders (where we said very little but thanked them for their time), the last one being when we had some nice jack o lanterns sitting on our porch.

on saturday, we got letters cordially inviting us to our beheading, i mean, our judicial committee meeting.

clearpoison

Just wondering what religion is the Halloween related to? Is it still existing religion? Is there religious content related to Halloween in similar way than to wedding rings for example?

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While in, did you ever rationalize questionable behavior, entertainment, even sin as justifide?

by miseryloveselders in

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i'm not the biggest fan of depeche mode, but a couple of their albums were actually ok. there's one track by them i've always loved called, "strangelove" from their music for the masses album, and the lyrics remind me of my own thought process at times.

the lead vocalist sings at one point, "i give in, to sin, because you have to make this life livable.

looking back on it, i feel that i needed to watch that fight.

clearpoison

First of all DM forever. Me feelings about this are well described in their relatively new song nothing's impossible

Just give me a reason, some kind of sign
I'll need a miracle to help me this time
I heard what you said, and I feel the same
I know in my heart that I'll have to change

My years long struggle with myself gave my insight that if you really, really want to keep with JW religion there is no middleway. You either accept their moral codec or you create your own. Here is difference though, do my giving in to sin mean that I break against god's codec or against organisation's codec. My god given conscience have not given me bad feelings about many things that are considered suspicious by my dear friends in congregation. I think this should have happened if I had loyalty for the organisation and it's rules as such.

In a way it's a simple thing but at the same time very difficult. Can you really be part of it, if you do not want to go by their book, follow the rules associated with membership. On the other hand, if your conscience allows you to happily follow the membership rules, why wouldn't you be part of it. This is very personal decision indeed.

I know in my heart that I'll have to change
Even the stars look brighter tonight
Nothing's impossible

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If you are bad this is what happens

by therevealer in

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clearpoison

I guess when you are about 900 years old you just look like that

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A picture is worth a thousand words. Does this remind you of yourself at JW gatherings?

by miseryloveselders in

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clearpoison

Too many beards to be convincing. But the girl in front could be, she's obviously very ashamed over her boyfriends wild behaviour.

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Your First Dealings with Apostates

by badcompany in

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another thread sparked this memory but i didn't want to hijack.

my first encounter with apostates was back at a district assembly around 1978. they were picketing outside peacefully with banners and such.

no apostates below could see me but i could hear them.

clearpoison

The oldest books in my personal library are written by J.F.R. but I never considered them as apostate material

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Your First Dealings with Apostates

by badcompany in

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another thread sparked this memory but i didn't want to hijack.

my first encounter with apostates was back at a district assembly around 1978. they were picketing outside peacefully with banners and such.

no apostates below could see me but i could hear them.

clearpoison

It must be over 25 years ago. I was in Field service with group of friends in need help-area. One person gave me one apostate book as contradonation for my magazines and asked politelly to read, I did, with no affect though. Later I have met such people in very near family, but that is totally another story.

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Ok. Let's have some comments on this pic from march 15 wt

by therevealer in

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clearpoison

The lady behind the one answering is actually looking the microphone bearers clothing with disgusted expression. But what is the remote control device she is having on her lap, it looks like Wii control. What would she do with it during the meeting?

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