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  How many did you, personally, entrap in the Borg ?

  by Phizzy in

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  in my nearly 60 years in the religion, although i "studied" with a good number, i cannot think of any who could lay the blame at my door for being in the religion today.. one lad possibly might, i studied with him briefly as he was trying to get off drugs, he then moved away, and then married a "sister" a few years later, and is still in, but i doubt he would blame me, i hope not.. of the others i studied with none are still in, the last i heard of one of them, a weirdo kid, now weirdo man, was when he was arrested for "flashing" in a local spot frquented by doggers etc.

  i guess i was a useless "tutor".

  as it happens, that is one of the things i am proud to be a failure at, getting people to join a cult.. i always tried to not do proper r.v's, and never suggested a "study" to anyone, but some, like weirdo, were shoved my way by elders who didn't want the work themselves.. how many are you guilty of getting in to the cult ?.

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  clearpoison

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  Although I don't feel like I entraped anyone. If one chose to become JW it was their call.

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  JW's just called at my door, simply handed me the JW.ORG tract and left! JW's now mere leaflet distributors.

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  i'm off work today and its a monday morning.

  a male and female jw just knocked on my door, i opened it, the guy just handed me their latest website promoting tract saying "hi, were just leaving these with people today", and then he made to leave.

  i looked at the tract and then looked at him as he was turning to walk away and said to him "ok, thanks, but ummm you could've just left it in my letterbox.".

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  clearpoison

  This saves paper at least in two ways and some forest may be saved for future refreshment.

  1. If you would refuse they can offer the same piece of paper to next person

  2. If they would just make a mailbox round they would be enormously quicker and get lots more tracts out.

  I thank them for this nature preserving choice of method.

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  is going to a strip club a disfellowshipping offense?

  by monis1 in

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  i'm pretty sure it is, just wanted to confirm.

  this would be someone who went once and only looked....

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  clearpoison

  I think this should be considered in the same way as watching porn. If it is regular mono/heterosexual sex they show there it should be ok, you just loose your precious privileges. But if they show abhorrent forms of sexual behaviour then you are subject to JC at least. I must admit I am not a regular visitor in strip clubs, have just seen the concept in several criminal series in TV. Mostly it seems there is just one girl undressing, but maybe they are imaging just a cleaned up version of what is going on in those clubs. Ofcourse if it gets physical that is totally another story.

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  Could you get disfellowshipped for simply asking questions?

  by LogCon in

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  if so, what would be some examples?.

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  only questions that show a higher degree of thought and intelligence please..

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  clearpoison

  Just for asking questions? My understanding is that you wouldn't

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  After they have given you the loving guidance that you need to stop asking questions and trust that the light gets brighter, from that point on any questions are subject to df procedure.

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  How to tell the wife?

  by jimbojones in

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  born in here and have been awake to ttatt for 3 months now and keeping it to myself is killing me.

  i do not want to da as i have many close friends and family in.. .

  i'm note sure how the wife will take it.

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  This worked for me

  1. I do not find it reasonable to try to convince her that there is fault in her religion. It is her faith and I have mine.

  2. I told her that I have issues but do not want to discuss about it directly. I proposed that I tell my views in a letter and she can read it at convenient time.

  3. I wrote my letter, telling the whole thruth about my thinking and that I will still love and respect her. I encouraged her to respond with letter rather than taking risk for oral dispute.

  4. She did respond after which we then had a discussion in stress-free setting.

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  How to become an MS in no time

  by Batman89 in

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  the method i used lol.

  1) be a good servant and make sure your wt and pub are always underlined every meeting(great for appearances).

  2) comment every meeting(a "sure way" to know someones "spiritually qualified").

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  clearpoison

  Sounds way too complicated.

  Just kidding had a great suggestion, another quick lane is marrying some high ranking "officers" daughter. It's like when Mr. Nobody marries a royalty's daughter, he will be fixed with some pompous title sooner than later.

  Depending on on your "morale" it could ofcourse make executing point 6 somewhat more complicated.

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  Elders book....margin notes not copyrighted!

  by snare&racket in

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  the watchtower moan about copyright when people quote or display the shepherd the flock book, but those big margins are there for the info they dare not write in ink, the juicy bits!

  being in the margin and penned, are not copyrighted.... anyone fancy copying their margins, or sharing the interesting legal/doctrinal bits and bobs?.

  anyone have the time to scan them in?.

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  At least in Europe it seems widely be accepted that you may quote any literar work as long as you keep it short and refer to original source. To those handwritten notes there are two categories in my understanding. Are you just writing down what you heard in a presentation or are you making personally thought notes that raise the bar to individual piece of literar work? To be able to quote to those handwritten notes in correct way you should be able to refer to the originator of that note, Brother Smith stated this in his speech on.... Brother Warren states in his notes that..... . By default those notes are equally copyrighted but obviously the originator do not need to be the one writing them down.

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  I'm curious, when you were asked to do a demo for a Service Meeting part, how did the request make you feel?

  by Stand for Pure Worship in

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  did you decline out of fear?

  decline because you hated doing demos?

  accept the request graciously?

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  clearpoison

  Anxious, it was worse than going to actual field service.

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  Interesting Conversation

  by piztjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i had what i thought was an interesting conversation this morning.. elder: "mother" sure is loving, and knows exactly how to care for us.. me: "mother"?

  who are you referring to?.

  elder: well the organization of course.. me: the organization?

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  clearpoison

  In the modern society where divorces and separations are daily bread this should not be difficult to understand. Father and mother used to be together, and got this child. Now they are separated. Father had a relation already before meeting the mother, thus having another child. For some reason this son from Father's first relation and spouse from second got interested in eachother and are now engaged. It is not at all difficult.

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  Marriage In The New World

  by Cold Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  okay, here's the issue.

  some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.

  jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.

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  clearpoison

  Technically no problem here. Adam was really alone from human point of view before Eve. In paradise there are lots of people around=you are not alone.Two separate issues here one being alone, one getting complement.

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