We lived in an ex-communist country in Europe where atheism was enforced. After the fall of communism we were thirsting for some faith or religion so we attended different churches. We didn't like the Orthodox church because there was no Bible teaching offered there. And then the JW missionaries knocked on our door. We had 0 Bible knowledge, and they used the Bible. We were impressed. You can imagine the rest.
Nobleheart
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What Brought You Into the Witnesses?
by Band on the Run inmy family was enmeshed with the wtbts for generations before my birth.
i'm certain it has been asked before but i am curious what brings others into the fold?
what was the attraction?
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Could you ever go back?
by MrFreeze innot that i'm thinking about it, even for a brief nano-second, but something i have thought about is this, is there any way you could go back and not have people look at you with the stink eye?
after admitting your true feelings, how in the world could people ever look at you the same?
if you were in the situation of welcoming someone back, would you be able to look past the errors?
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Nobleheart
I'm still in but the day I'll walk out, it'll be game over.
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Probably going to be DFed for "apostasy" soon
by WontLeave ini've been doing a lot of research lately and decided i'm not going to allow the losers in cheap suits to order me around like their dog.
they are not masters of my faith and have no authority to 'lord it over' me.. all the same, many even of the rulers actually put faith in him, but because of the pharisees they would not confess [him], in order not to be expelled from the synagogue; for they loved the glory of men more than even the glory of god.
- john 12:42-43 .
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Nobleheart
Mad Sweeney I appreciate your comment. For some time I was of the opinion that Russell was a decent man, in spite of the wrong prophecies. But after doing my research I came to realize that apart from being misguided, his character is quite inconsistent. These inconsistencies are reflected as you clearly pointed out, in his view of himself and the Bible.
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Nobleheart
Moshe that's excellent and so realistic. Too many JW make up compassionate excuses to skip get-togethers with 'worldly' people. And inwardly they resent what they miss out.
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From the New World Translation to the Cross - LONG
by I<3MYGod ini am new here, so i felt that i should share my experience, my thoughts, my feelings and my total and complete change of heart.. i have posted bits and pieces about me and what happened, here is the whole story.. i was born into the religion from 1 parent that was born into it as well and another that was brought in as a child, i did as i was instructed to do.
i was punished when i made my parents look bad at the kingdom hall, i was taken outside and spanked as a child for falling asleep at the forever long and drawn out boring meetings.
it really drove the nail home that i was insignificant when i would see and hear my father asleep and snoring after he had not 'spared the rod', who was going to take him outside and punish him?
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Nobleheart
It's nice to read about your life turning around completely and finding hope and faith.
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Unbelievable WT Oct 15/2010 2nd study article
by bobld in"our viewpoint may be distorted or limited" par 16 "mosaic law-he(god) did not enforce his own law"wtf.. so the gb/fds will tell us their distorted viewpoint.they say law given to imperfect judges who could not read hearts.yet the gb/fds says they can by their pharisaic laws and rules ie child abuse/shunning/etc.. why did god give the mosaic law if they could not read hearts.oh it was ok for the israelites to kill some people for adultery/murder but not david because they could not read his heart.wtf does it matter if he was sorry and repentent were not the others just as sorry and repentent.. b.
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Nobleheart
@ sir82
Your brief summary is right on the point. It's like condemning every person accused of murder to the electric chair, even though some might be innocent.
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Unbelievable WT Oct 15/2010 2nd study article
by bobld in"our viewpoint may be distorted or limited" par 16 "mosaic law-he(god) did not enforce his own law"wtf.. so the gb/fds will tell us their distorted viewpoint.they say law given to imperfect judges who could not read hearts.yet the gb/fds says they can by their pharisaic laws and rules ie child abuse/shunning/etc.. why did god give the mosaic law if they could not read hearts.oh it was ok for the israelites to kill some people for adultery/murder but not david because they could not read his heart.wtf does it matter if he was sorry and repentent were not the others just as sorry and repentent.. b.
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Nobleheart
@ easyreader1970 I thought the same thing when studying this article. I was thinking if there was a woman accused of adultery, there would be no way the high priest or whoever would be able to read her heart (i don't believe there was a provision for change of heart after committing the deed in the Mosaic Law), so she'd be stoned to death. However the situation is different for the king, he can play the game according to his rules as Curtains said. Isn't it evidence of unfairness and favoritism?
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Unbelievable WT Oct 15/2010 2nd study article
by bobld in"our viewpoint may be distorted or limited" par 16 "mosaic law-he(god) did not enforce his own law"wtf.. so the gb/fds will tell us their distorted viewpoint.they say law given to imperfect judges who could not read hearts.yet the gb/fds says they can by their pharisaic laws and rules ie child abuse/shunning/etc.. why did god give the mosaic law if they could not read hearts.oh it was ok for the israelites to kill some people for adultery/murder but not david because they could not read his heart.wtf does it matter if he was sorry and repentent were not the others just as sorry and repentent.. b.
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Nobleheart
@ prodigal son
You said: Because Jehovah is Satan, Jehovah is a murderer, and Jehovah ordered David to take the census. Here's the Biblical "proof":
"And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel." ~1 Chronicles 21:1.
"And again the anger of JEHOVAH was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah." ~2 Samuel 24:1
I doubt God would put something in David's mind and then condemn him afterwards. Although I see that most Bible translations render 2 Samuel 24:1 as you say, except for Young's Literal Translation which says "And the anger of Jehovah addeth to burn against Israel, and an adversary moveth David about them, saying, 'Go, number Israel and Judah.'"
Nevertheless, I still can't get over the fact that 70 thousand innocent people died because of a stupid census. They had no say in the process. I don't care who it was that put this idea into David's mind, why did all those people have to die??
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Unbelievable WT Oct 15/2010 2nd study article
by bobld in"our viewpoint may be distorted or limited" par 16 "mosaic law-he(god) did not enforce his own law"wtf.. so the gb/fds will tell us their distorted viewpoint.they say law given to imperfect judges who could not read hearts.yet the gb/fds says they can by their pharisaic laws and rules ie child abuse/shunning/etc.. why did god give the mosaic law if they could not read hearts.oh it was ok for the israelites to kill some people for adultery/murder but not david because they could not read his heart.wtf does it matter if he was sorry and repentent were not the others just as sorry and repentent.. b.
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Nobleheart
The account of the census always made me angry. Reading at Samuel 24 it shows how at v4 David was warned against the census by Joab and the chiefs of the military forces, and the census itself took almost 10 months (v8) so he had plenty of time to change his mind and stop it. Nevertheless due to his pride or whatever 70 000 people died !!! Why did so many innocent people have to die for a man's sin? I can never reconcile this account with reason, so I guess I must suffer also from a 'distorted or limited viewpoint'. I don't care if these people will be resurrected one day, I will never explain why they died from an angel using bioterrorism (making them all sick with some sort of death-dealing pestilence). And only after so many had died God told him to stop, since "it was now enough". Couldn't God have deemed it enough after 1, 5, 10 people dying to pay for only 1 person's sin? Why did so many have to die??
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My year in songs
by ele_lux inthese are the songs that describe my 2010 (in that order):.
1) where is the love - black eyes peas .
"madness is what you demonstrate....can you practice what you preach and would you turn the other cheek?
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Nobleheart
Nice compilation. They do take a different meaning when you can relate to parts of the lyrics.