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  I did it my way

  by Roberta804 in

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  2. friends

  as many of you know, my mother passed away this past week.

  sitting here in the quiet of my hotel room i recalled a repeated wish i had since i was 10 years old.

  "if only mom would die i would be free (of the jws)".

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  No wait.

  You're welcome!
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  I did it my way

  by Roberta804 in

  1. jw
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  as many of you know, my mother passed away this past week.

  sitting here in the quiet of my hotel room i recalled a repeated wish i had since i was 10 years old.

  "if only mom would die i would be free (of the jws)".

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  I'm . . . sorry?
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  One Simple Question

  by magotan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  if we are to serve jehovah because of 'selflessness' and because 'love him' and not because of 'what he does for us', how is the 'promise of the paradise' not selfish?

  the faith hinges on it!.

  this has bothered me for a long, long time..

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  I don't trust anyone who purports to be completely altruistic.

  Even when I believed it was the truth, I knew I was only worshiping god for the benefits.

  Which really made the account of Job weird. Since Satan was clearly correct about motivations.

  If there was no ressurection hope, nobody in their right mind woud be a witness.
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  business as usual in my kingdom hall

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we have a very dedicated, sincere, humble, older elder body in our hall.

  along with a pretty zealous group of publishers.

  [even though no one has come out of our territory in 35 years] it seems i am the only one aware of the pattern of false prophecies and mistakes by the society.

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  How would someone else indentify you as having this knowledge?
  How would you know that you are the only one who knows the truth about the society?

  
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  Most Current Teaching?

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.

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  Are you being serious?

  Yes. Which part are you unsure about?

  Jesus definitely used hellfire and Abraham in heaven in a parable right here:

  (Luke 16:22-25) 22 Now in course of time the beggar died and he was carried off by the angels to the bosom [position] of Abraham. “Also, the rich man died and was buried. 23 And in Ha′des he lifted up his eyes, he existing in torments, and he saw Abraham afar off and Laz′a·rus in the bosom [position] with him. 24 So he called and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Laz′a·rus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in anguish in this blazing fire.’ 25 But Abraham said . . . (it goes on, but you get it)

  And the witnesses definitely claim that this Jesus was full of crap here:

  *** pe chap. 9 p. 88 par. 19 What Kind of Place Is Hell? ***
  . . . Since, as we have seen, Hades refers to mankind’s grave, and not to a place of torment, it is plain that Jesus was here telling an illustration or a story. . .
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  Most Current Teaching?

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
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  are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.

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  On the subject of Jesus using a parable about Hell and Abraham being alive in Heaven.

  Why would he use that illustration if he didn't want us to believe in Hell and think Abraham was alive in Heaven?

  None of his other illustrations were based entirely on fiction? He used real stuff, like Samaritans, Farming, Birds, Slaves, Kings, Weeds.

  But this ONE time he decided to use a false teaching to make a point about doing the right thing?

  Ask a modern witness if it would be acceptable to go on the platform and use a story about Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer to teach people the importance of accepting differences.

  What would happen if a brother gave a public talk using Santa as an illustration? He'd never be allowed to give talks again.

  And yet the witnesses claim that Jesus used hellfire and the immortal soul in a parable. But it was all completely fictional? And Jesus didn't bother saying that it was fictional?
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  Most Current Teaching?

  by NeverKnew in

  1. watchtower
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  are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.

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  This is of course ignoring Jesus parable showing Abraham in heaven.

  And the transmogrification or whatever where Moses and Abraham appeared to talk to Jesus in front of some of the apostles.

  Edit: My bad! Abraham was not in the Transfiguration. That was Moses and Elijah.

  Basically if Abraham is not in heaven, Jesus really went out of his way to make us think he is. And yet the watchtower is like: "Nah, everything in the bible is figurative except the flood."
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  Most Current Teaching?

  by NeverKnew in

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  are abraham, isaac and jacob returning to earth or heaven?.

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  Earth. Because they died before the ransom which is what allowed humans to become annointed.

  *** w11 6/1 p. 12 Do All Faithful Christians Go to Heaven? ***

  Note Jesus’ thought-provoking statement: “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13) This implies that faithful worshippers in the past, such as Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David, had not gone to heaven. (Acts 2:34) Where, then, did they all go? In brief: The faithful of old are in the grave, sleeping in death, unconscious, awaiting resurrection.—Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6; Acts 24:15.
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  How long did it take you to prepare for talks or parts in the KM school?

  by OneDayillBeFree in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  several years ago, whenever i got a talk slip i would get really nervous but accept it and work on it almost immediately.

  of course that was way back when i still believed it all.. now they gave me a #3 talk out of the blue about a month ago and i had forgotten all about it till the meeting night.

  i really thought about not showing up at all but at the last minute, i decided to go.. so when i got there the meeting had already started and so i just stayed in the back looked at the info, found 2 scriptures and then without any notes i went up and gave the stupid talk!.

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  Not giving a crap really does a lot to reduce stress.

  And if you're not nervous it's incredibly easy to just look up a random article related to the subject of your talk and paraphrase it for a few minutes.
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  any info on becoming an ordained minister

  by fakesmile in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does it vary by state?

  can i use my jwness on a resume?

  is there a test?

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  http://www.themonastery.org/ordination

  They will ordain you online for free, and mail you a certificate. They even let you choose a title: Rabbi, Father, Reverend, Lord etc.

  And their ordainations will allow you to perform legally binding marriages almost anywhere in the US. There are three states that don't accept them though and may not issue a marriage license. (But if you perform a marriage outside the state it's still binding of course.)