Millions now living will never know. you gotta love that. I want a T shirt that has that on it. can you see an exdubber walking around a small town like mine with the nose in the airs seeing that. thair would be hart's stoping and gasping for breath. and under the quoat what j.f. ruthaford really ment. the problem with the 607 and 1914 is thay can get rid of the geveration. it is dishonost but it can be done. but the 1914 as a date has to stay, even the brain dead can reason that if jesus did not come in 1914 and see c.t. russell doning his gondi impression than he did not appiont him over his earthly kingdom. follow the line of reasoning and the gov. bod. has no authority. and that my friends simply ain gona happen. no way no how. thay gotta keep those donations coming
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What Was The Final Straw That Made You Leave The Organisation?
by SpannerintheWorks inas a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
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What Was The Final Straw That Made You Leave The Organisation?
by SpannerintheWorks inas a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
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Sorry,will start again,For me it was when an awake or tower, cant remember now,came out saying that it would be wrong and un christian to use a weapon to defend your self from an attaker. I keep several firearms including hand guns,and have taken a lot of flak from elders who are antigun. I decided to write a letter to the hq. and tell them [respectfully]that the scripture did not agree [imho] that christ said that he who has no sword should sell his outter garment and purchase one. that the apostales had 2 the night befor he was taken ect. I was so afraid because i knew that thay would wright a letter to me trashing me and my line of thought, making me look so stupid as thay in my mind were so supiror to me. the letter i got back was the most febile picece of pablem i have ever read. this emboldened me to write more and question harder. then in 95 the artical in the tower that the generation had been changed [and that it was not changed, just the rank and file were to stupid to understand and our glorious leaders would set us straight.] that was no straw it was a steel I beam. one that the camel could have never suported. and then along came the internet with people like randy waters and ray franz and many others who we can stand on thair shoulders and see farther than we ever could on our own. what i saw was the power that the dubs and the elders co's do's and what ever's have over me was the power I me gave them. I pulled back the curtian and saw the silly old man. was not afraid , I just felt foolish for letting him bull shi% me for so long. I became bitter and still am some. but the road to wellsvill is long and diffrent for each individual. but I will get there one way or another in spite of thair treating me as a leper, its all thay know. I feel sorry for them thay are so lost and do not even know it. kind of like hansel and greatel who think thay have just found a ginger bread house in the woods and dont know about the pot boiling in the back with thair names on it. part of me wants to see them boil and the other part wants to scream out like you do at a movie the help the hero who does not see the villian, but just like at the movie you can do nothing. it is not up to us. the old saying thair are none so blind as those who will not see.
healing in vanderbiult michingan walter hook
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What Was The Final Straw That Made You Leave The Organisation?
by SpannerintheWorks inas a faithful and zealous witness, nothing can question your faith.
but one day, something does!
you begin to have doubts.
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HAVE YOU COMMITED A SIN AGAINST JEHOVAH.?????????
by nightwarrior inthe first question is whom do you show your loyalty to ????????????.
1 ) the organization....... 2 ) or to jehovah........... you have five seconds to decide,prove it to yourself by answering these questions,.
whom do you pray through,?????.
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kilroy2
In answer to your first question jah. and the fds. are the same in the fds. eyes you show loyalty to jah. by showing loyalty to fds. mind control at its best, have you ever noticed that the acronim for faithfull and discrete slave is also a womans hygine product? a very confusing teaching of the fds. is that christ only died for the 144000. we are all second class citizens in their eyes. we are hangers on soto speak. in logic the chain of comand we should pray to the fds who in turn goes through jc. who speaks to the big kahoona.. but tell that to a elder and you are in for a fight, as they know where you are heading you trouble makers you.
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WE HAVE THE POWER TO CAUSE CHANGE
by SHUNNED FATHER inthis is in reply to night warrior's comments earlier.
i agree with you.
change can be and has to be done.
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kilroy2
IMO, sometimes a house can not be remodeled. you just tear it down. no fix. the tower is so fundementaly flawed you just need to scrap it.
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I am going to a meeting tomarrow
by liquidsky inmy mother called me last night an begged me to go to the meeting tomarrow.
she has asked me to go numerous times during the last year,and i have made excuses everytime of why i can't attend.
last night she begged so i'm thinking that theres either a local needs talk that she wants me to hear or its the co visit.
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caving in to persure and gilt trips will only delay the inevitable. I made the break walked away and even though i live in a small town with an abnormal population of dubbers, and get the cold shoulder when i get the mail, milk form the store ect. I feel more free that i have in my life. when i get up on sunday and sit on my porch and watch the birds in my back yard, and think of the dubbers pulling on monkey suits with a slice of toast in there mouth wile highlighting the answers to the tower , a chill runs up my spine. I think what if i went to hall today, s&m thoughts i know. It remindes me of a scripture " it is like a dog returning to it own vomit" that is how I have come to look at it. I would rather go to a pig farm and wallow in pig crap than go to a place that has caused so many so much harm. I takes a lot of self examination and strong will to get away from the mind control. and to go back is like a smoker taking another drag after he quits. my wife has lost here parants and I have lost my family but I believe what I am doing and not living for some one elses belifes or lies. I think for myself even if i am wrong I am wrong for myself.
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a little knowledge
by kilroy2 ini have a friend that works at a local carpet store in mio.
mich. i have been telling him the history of the dubbers.
he was shocked to know the truth.
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I have a friend that works at a local carpet store in mio. mich. I have been telling him the history of the dubbers. He was shocked to know the truth. about a month ago he gets this 19 year old borg girl and daddy coming in to the store to panhandle towers and asleeps. so he takes it and tells me that he thought it would make them go away. not so I say. Its like feeding rats they will set up camp and live there. He says then I will tell them to get screwed. That does not work either. They will wearer your cursing like a badge of honor. He asks me what to do. so I tell him next time they come in you politely ask, Why are the dubbers the only people in the world that put the destruction of Jerusalem at 607 in stead of 586/587 as all of the historians do. and why would you be disfellowshiped for teaching any thing c.t. Russell taught if he was gods chosen when Christ came to earth in 1914 and saw that he was the only one teaching the truth., At that moment they turned and walked out and said they had an appointment that they were late for and would stop back later. My buddy told me that he was amazed at how fast they bolted for the door. I myself did the same thing wile I was waiting for a doctors apt. in a parking lot of a strip mall in Petoskey. I saw a couple of kids pull in looking for victims, they came over to me and asked if I wanted to live on paradise earth forever. and I said yes but not with you. just kidding. I gave them the same questions that I told my buddy to . and they abruptly turned and said that they needed to get to the hall for a meeting. and that I should stop by and ask my questions to an elder. I told them that that would not be necessary as all dubbers run when I ask questions of this caliber. Its fun to watch them squirm. this is the image that i was trying to down load on the other post hope it comes through. its the truth book showing the generation meaning.
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what caused me to doubt the borg 2
by kilroy2 ini had been in the cult for 30+ years when a watchtower article came out about how a witness would never use any thing to defend him or her self, including pepper spray stun gun.
and absoultly no fire arms.
i had followed blindly for years cauz mama said so and mama and grandpa could not be wrong.
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what caused me to doubt the borg 2
by kilroy2 ini had been in the cult for 30+ years when a watchtower article came out about how a witness would never use any thing to defend him or her self, including pepper spray stun gun.
and absoultly no fire arms.
i had followed blindly for years cauz mama said so and mama and grandpa could not be wrong.
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I to have a ccw. In michigan we just got the law changed to shal issue. about 3 years ago. And guess what it is not the wild wild west thay predicted. I have aprox. 98 firearms the oldest is a 1863 sharps carbine 52 cal precusion. the newest a glock 19 9mm and i love them all. as for the watchtower that changed the generation def. it was in 95 the year is seared into my memory. I worked consturction and my whole family is in the business. I argued with elder unckles and other relitives. thay all said that the meaning was not changed just defined better. what bull shit thay redid the aid book to the insite just to get ride of the generation meaning in it. and cauz ray franze was the author. thay really think that thay can fool us all. you can fool some of the dubs all of the time and all of the dubs some of the time but you cant fool all of the dubs all of the time. and with the internet the ones that can think for them selves can now stand on the backs of giants and see what we could never see before. Its like the movie on trial for your life. when you use more than 4% of your brain you dont want to be a dubber any more. thay are alot like mcdonolds always have full staff but the turn over is very high.no one wants to knock on doors for very long unless thay have brain damage. Speaking of guns and hunting a lot of the elders hunt and poach up here. thay bend the rules when they want.I have fished with many elders for salmon and thay all snaged with trebble hooks. totaly illegal. I would bring up that it was no diffrent in gods eyes than banging a elk with out a permit. I would get the look and than told that the DNR really wants you to poach salmon cauz there is so many. Ya and holiday inn wants you to take the towles. the elders were norm guardner and daryl kunde zac and kevin guardner dick schroder of vanderbiult. but let me go to one R rated movie and shit hits the fan. inside the org. its all politics its not what you know its who you blow. I was always to proud to blow any one. I more bit off dicks and that dont get you and eldership. but being an elder is about as impresive as being pres. of my local book club. big whoop!!!! I would rather stay home and watch dss chanel 584 you guys no what i mean . and do what thay told us not to but to read the propaganda and take long walks and cold showers. I have a lot of catching up to do.
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what caused me to doubt the borg 2
by kilroy2 ini had been in the cult for 30+ years when a watchtower article came out about how a witness would never use any thing to defend him or her self, including pepper spray stun gun.
and absoultly no fire arms.
i had followed blindly for years cauz mama said so and mama and grandpa could not be wrong.
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I had been in the cult for 30+ years when a watchtower article came out about how a witness would never use any thing to defend him or her self, including pepper spray stun gun. and absoultly no fire arms. I had followed blindly for years cauz mama said so and mama and grandpa could not be wrong. well i found out that mama and grandapa could be and often were wrong dead worng. but that is another story. I have been a gun collector for years since i bought my first 22 at a local grocery store for 28 bucks. I eventually got into pistols. and was told by the local elder tim schmidt and jackoff arnold that it was a forbidden hobby. I collected any way,when the watchtower artical came out saying that dubbers would never use a fire arm in self defence, I started to see what the bible said [at that time i still believed in the bible] and found that jesus said that any one who had not sword should sell his outher garmet and go buy one [a sword was the equivlant of a pistol at that time] and the at the guardan of g. the apostals had not one but 2. that is how the famous ear incadent came about. well i decided to write a letter to the big kahonnas but i knew that they would crush me with their supiror logic. the letter i got back not only was feble but had nothing to back up their position. this emboldened me to write more and more. the letters were so feble that when the last one came i did not even return a responce. thay basicly said that thay did not care about self defence thay did not want any publiscity with a witness using deadly force to protect them selves. If thay died well then ja would make the boo boo better in the new world. well shit we have been waiting a long time for that and nothing on the horizon yet. if nothing else it showed me that the myth of how smart and inteligent the boys from brooklyn are was false. then in 95 the big generation change [oh ya. thay did not change we just took it wrong all those years when thay said that with in one generation all these things would come to pass. that the generation that was alive in 1914 some of which would be there in the end. we did not understand the right meaning.] have you ever noticed that even when the boys change someting or recant it is really not their fault but the rank and files. that always pissed me off. in 75 i will never forget it was us that jumped the gun. thay screwup in their profacy and we get a wack on the wrist. but now it is our turn with foot up the ass with the aid of the internet. I have not recieved my so called shep call and dont know if i will. thay want me out bad. I would tell them what i thought about the cult. but to only one elder so i would use their 2 witness rule against them. thay would call and say can we [as in 2 elders ] come over to talk. my responce was to say not to talk religion, I know what you want If you want to come over to shoot at my gun range for the day you are welcome but not to talk religion. this blew them away. so now i just get dirty looks if i meet one when i go to the store or get the mail. I also put up posters regularly about silant lambs and thay keep tearing them down. going so far as to pump in to the greap vine that thay are going to call the FBI so on the backs of the posters i write did you get ahold of the FEDS yet? I am just following booze ruthaford agitate agitate agitate!!!!!!