ask him about the 607 bce problem and why the dubbers cant answer it some say a tree grows in brooklyn but a pyrimid grows in pen state
kilroy2
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classmates.com... a jw witnessing tool?
by coffee_black ini joined classmates a few days ago... just a temporary membership...to see what it's all about.
when you're a member you can join message boards that have to do with interests you might have.
one of those groups discusses religion, and it's one of the largest groups.
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funeral again
by kilroy2 inwell my wife's grandmother died a couple of days ago.
the services will be on monday, anne ritchie, not that it is not expected she was 90. not exactly a spring chicken.. my problem is two fold, my wife's parents have not contacted her or tried to contact her for quite some time.
and when they do her mother stops by her place of work unannounced for "a chat", so now that my wife's mother has lost her best friend [donna never cut the cord] she calls my wife for the funeral, i personally do not want her to go, but i cant tell my wife not to go, and i would like to be there to support her, but after my mother died, and i had to sit through a propaganda speech when it was supposed to be about my families loss.
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kilroy2
Well my wife's grandmother died a couple of days ago. the services will be on Monday, Anne Ritchie, not that it is not expected she was 90. not exactly a spring chicken.
My problem is two fold, my wife's parents have not contacted her or tried to contact her for quite some time. and when they do her mother stops by her place of work unannounced for "a chat", So now that my wife's mother has lost her best friend [Donna never cut the cord] she calls my wife for the funeral, I personally do not want her to go, but I cant tell my wife not to go, and I would like to be there to support her, but after my mother died, and I had to sit through a propaganda speech when it was supposed to be about my families loss. pissed me off to no end.
I swore to myself that I would never step inside a kindomhell ever again, and I mean to keep that promise. I think my wife understands, the other thing that just pisses me off, is that the dubdom funeral is never and I stress never about the person that is dead. it is a total propaganda ploy for the captive audience of non dubbers in the hall.
The shit heads suck the grief from you at the most desperate time in your life, dam them, they cant even let you have time to reflect on the person, the have to steal, and that is the word, STEAL the time for your grief, from you to try to convert others.
This in my opinion is one of the most disgusting things that they do, to take the focus from your loss and use it for themselves is like pulling the gold teeth out of the freshly gassed Jews in dachau, the bastards. It makes me even more resolute to never step inside a shit hole of a kindomhell.
I know some will tell me to suck it up Nancy and just go for your wife, I cant though, I would feel like I have caved in to the society.
Those bastards, I tell you one thing, if the dubbers were ever outlawed I would be one of the first in line to string up the GB from the nearest tree in Brooklyn. Hang em high.
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The New OM Book? Don't Waste Your Time.
by metatron ini zipped thru the new organization book and can tell you that it's a waste of trees.. i think that the updated section on df'ing is mostly just a legalistic response to distance.
themselves from any potential defamation charges, by default.. it downplays the blood issue and 'worldly' holidays but almost none of that matters.. why?
because in the end, the sservice dept calls the shots.
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kilroy2
I love it, the society publishes a muchadaboutnutin, book and the r&f beam with [the end is near!!!] I watch how the old and young firmly grab ahold of the crap the end is so close. You know the old cant say the end is not close, they have based their whole lives on this, and cant tell themselves that they were screwed with not even a reach around, but the society.
The young have not developed the brains to see through the lies, [present company excluded] It is a shame that people tend to be led so easily, but hey, I just watched John of god in bfe south America scraping eye balls with a knife, and shoving clamps up the nose cavities of "victims" patients who were there as a last resort for cancer,and other diseases that are terminal.
These people are victims twice over, the same with the society, the become victims many many times over.
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Morning worship comment from Bethel
by Smoky ini received this email from a friend of a friend:.
'comments made by brother lett at morning worship today.. the comments were about the work we have of bearing witness of the truth.
" again, the angels make note of it.. we knock at the fifth house and again no one is home.
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kilroy2
so now the bro's can tell what the angles are doing? way cool! but that is not how it goes, it is more like hey here come those stupid ass holes, they sure are persistent, look at the kids they sure look unhappy.
The dubbers stop by a home where the people are educated on watchtower doctrine, and ask questions like, why is the society the only group of people in the world that date the destruction of the temple by king, neb.2 at 607 bce, and dated it at608 till Russell got better at understanding of the zero year.
The dubbers run for the door and squeal the tires to get away form the evil people who ask all the wrong questions, the neighbors take notice, they laugh.
Angels are only pretend
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Jesse Jackson thinks Michael is a traditional Christian and a good JW
by Dogpatch inhttp://msnbc.msn.com/id/7231414/
'scarborough country' for march 17 .
read the transcript to the thursday show
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kilroy2
Jessie is an oxymoron, this just shows what any person who has a brain knows, jes is a press hound who would pimp his own mother if it could get him 10 min, of press time.
He is a low life of the first order, and can not be given the smallest amount of respect. The statement alone that "he is a traditional Christian he is a jw" shows he went in not knowing
1] Jackson is no longer a witness, he disassociated him self several years ago, and the dubs do not accept him as a dub.
2] jes obviously does not know what a witness is as traditional Christian and drbber together is an oxymoron.
Remember when king was shot this is the man that ran to the body and rubbed his hands in blood and smeared it all over him when the press showed up and held the body in his arms for posterity. he is a joke of a human, cavorting with a joke of pop star. These people need to be euthanized.
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Disfellowshipping in absentia policy from "Organized to do Jehovah's Will"
by truthseeker inthis is the new disfellowshipping policy from the "organized to do jehovah's will" book.
this book is now the replacement for the old "organized to accomplish our ministry" book, released in 1983. .
chapter 14: maintaining the peace and cleaness of the congregation .
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kilroy2
I know for a fact that for the last 30+ years that if you were summoned to a jc and did not show up you were dfed, you are never dfed for any thing other than bad attitude, This can be determined in one of several ways,
repeat offender, say a sister has an affair, she goes to the elders and sobs "I am so sorry," they give her council and tell her to study more and have a study with sister pampas, and all is well with the world,
The same sister then goes out and gets laid by the pizza delivery guy, and the elders find out, she goes to the jc and cries "I am so sorry I am a bad person and I love jah" at this point the elders can df her on bad attitude because she is a "practice of sin" the society says you can practice sin on your first offence, but this is a little ridicules and how do you prove it?
another way you can have a bad attitude is the old fashioned way, you steal a candy bar and the elders find out you get a jc summons and when you go you tell the elders to fuc( off, they will say you have a bad attitude and you get dfed
another is you tell a couple of bros when you are looking at whack books in your basement that you really don't thing the society is gods tool on earth, they turn you in, you get a jc summons and you don't show up you are then deemed to have a bad attitude and dfed,
Remember the elders only df for one reason, BAD ATTITUDE but you can be said to have a bad attitude for many reasons unique to the society
The one thing the elders can do with the approval of the society is if you leave the cult, and you have not called your self a dubber for many years and have done nothing wrong to be dfed for, after a few years you are not considered a dubber by the dubs, so then you start to have a cigar now and again, and a couple of bros see you driving to get your mail with a stogie, they turn you in, then the elders can just say he is no longer a dubber so we will do nothing,
I have always thought this to by hypocritical of the society, so some one who left and after a few years decided to go have wha ha good time and was just said he is no longer a dubber any ways we will let it go, then this person could [why the hell would they want to?] come back with no down time,
But the person who was doing the dance all along [going to meetings ect.] and got caught with sister pioneer in the camper, gets dfed, they have to go thought the gauntlet to get back to square one. things that make you go hummmmm?
The best thing you can do is keep the hell away from them all, why would you want to go to the kh, meetings, assemblys, ect?
The best time to start you life is right now don't wait till some day, we only get a certian amount of time and the clock is running, so make the best of it, and going to jw hell is not doing that,
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Is the Society's message to JW's getting stronger?
by truthseeker induring a dinner conversation with a loyal jw, he mentioned that the society seems to be making stronger statements to jw's.
he mentioned the "keep on the watch" brochure, and how it seemed to be for jw's as well as the public.
he acknowledged the "personal questions" the society were asking us, in the brochure - how pointed and direct they are, even asking you to rank your physical and spiritual activities on a scale of 1 to 10. .
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kilroy2
They have more than dfing for a weapon, they have control, you can not inject opinions to the society, they will bounce off like a ball off a brick wall, the only thinking comes from the top and they are the only ones allowed to think, remember "how presumptuous for the pot to tell the potter how to mold it"
It is 1984 Orwellian to the core, think for yourself and you are the enemy,you with the independent attitude will die at the big H or A.
You can not make your own way through the world to god, you need us. we are the only ones, don't be deceived.
I am so happy to be an agnostic, I live my life and god does not play a part in my myth system, If I want mythology I turn on the history channel and watch ancient Egypt and Rome.
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Violent Video games @ Bethel
by NikL inthis e mail is making the rounds.
i am not sure of the validity of it but here it is anyway.
what i find amazing is that video games would be allowed in the first place.
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kilroy2
The games were not created to entertain a mythical god, they were created to entertain people, the gov. booby would rather the rank and file molested little boys. The book of myths [bible] has many many tales glorifying battle, killing, lot sleeping with his daughters,god asking to have people sacrifice their sons, women giving them selves to have sex with invading armies till they die. the taking of other peoples land by force, and a plethora of other violent crap, I say ban the bible, much to violent
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Continuing Wild Assertions.
by Blueblades inmillions now living will never die!
is still teaching this wild assertion?.
let's start when this wild assertion began and see where it ends up.. 1918, rutherford gives a world-wide public lecture-"millions now living will never die!".
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kilroy2
Funny, I was just telling my niece about the millions now living will never die shtick,, she is 14 and had never heard of it.
so many of the dubs don't even have a clue about the origins of their own religion, they think it was handed to Russell by god on the mountain top.
This religion is the biggest sham since P.T. declared he had a mermaid on display, He said that there is a sucker born every min, and a conman every 30 sec. the society if full of both.
You know when I talk to some of my relatives about the dubdom, I get Where Would I Go?
This is a society directed phrase to stop the argument,as there is not apparent reply, the only truthful one is that you don't know, Just like the only truthful thing you can be as far as any religion goes is agnostic, no one can at least at this time in human history know if god even exists or not, if you believe in god you must take it on faith, by the laws of science you can not say god does not exist because it is impossible for man to prove a universal negative. So for me I am an agnostic. I don't know but I lean to god does not exist because there is no evidence to suggest that he does. But the dubbs do exist and they are confused.
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Wife joining, but I don't want the kids to get all brainwashed
by Check_Your_Premises inmy wife is joining.
she feels that the choice is between nothing and god, and that the only way to have a relationship with god is through these people.
i have accepted that.
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kilroy2
Let me say this, and it comes from 30 years of being in that cult.
If you let your family go to meetings, and you passively sit by and just say it is ok to have your wife go, you are asking for more trouble than you can imagine. It will start out slow.
this is how they work, they will work slow but sure to get your wife totally subjugated to the society, when that is accomplished by studding mind numbing books, and going to meeting to show that she is not alone that the "group" is with her hence god is with her. when this is done, they move little by little to start having her stop birthdays, holidays, ect. Imagine you wife not going to or taking part in the kids birthday party, Halloween, Christmas ect. this will have a big effect on the children, then she will [if she stays in and in taken over by the cult] start to teach the kids, once your kids start to go, this is a 50/50 prop. but if they do go, you are and will be the obstructionist.
They will teach you kids and wife that your trying to keep ties to the "world" or keeping the kids form going to the meetings is Satan using you to keep them out of gods kingdom, and that she will need to fight with all her might to keep loyal to the org. they will tell her to honor you in all things not society related, but this amounts to if you want chicken or beef for dinner. society related things will be a big part of your life.
I am afraid that families that have one partner strong in the dubber cult, 9 out of 10 times get divorced or the family is in upheaval.
The cult demands much time and effort to keep a part of the cult, Now that said I have seen some that profess to be dubbers but do not keep close ties to the society, but they still keep apart from anything that has to do with the non org. people or activities.
Your wife going to meetings and joining is dangerous there is no doubt. the amount of danger depends much on your wife's ability to think for her self in the face of heavy mind control, the more she is inclined to follow the more danger for her and you,
IMO, you need to fight against it and hard, think of this as an invasion of your home, when someone breaks into your home, you don't sit there and wait till they are stabbing you, you fight with the most deadliest weapon you can grab from the first moment you are aware of the break in, will you are aware, fight, fight hard and now, the longer you wait the harder it is for you, and I am not talking physical, learn all the faults of the society, cause cognitive dissonance in your wife, don't let up till she sees the truth. you marriage depends on you now, if you don't you may as well get a book bag and start knocking on doors.