Personally I have become an atheist after 30 years in the cult, I have come to understand that their is no evidence that there is a god, no more than aliens or any other myth, It used to work on me when dubbers would say, do you see that tree, how did it get there? The only answer is god put it there. Well after many hours of study, I have learned that this false reasoning is called, post hock reasoning or begging the question. then the society use communal reinforcement, to keep you in line, for me I have seen nothing to indicate that god exists, and no one can show me anything because there is nothing to show, god does not talk to people so we can say I talked to god, if you do you get many milligrams of thorazine and a white gown. you don't see god working, creating, or any of his civil servants,[angles] nope just a god exists because I say he does, I feel it, animals are so pretty, things work like a big clock in the universe, mom and dad said so, It makes me sleep better at night. well all I can say is if you can stand to look behind the curtain and see the silly old man running religion, any religion, than you are on your way to standing on your own two feet. and then you don't need a god or angles, ergo, a pastor elder, ms. os. gb. do. co. or any other bs.
kilroy2
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newbie seeking others thoughts
by brokenfairy inbasically i have been reading the bible lately & doing extensive research on the web and have come across many things in my search...any imput put on various scriptures or sites i would appreciate.... .
first of all i found more than a few religions that resemble the teaching of the jw's...so can they honestly say they are the only ones with the "truth"?
scriptures i came across in my studies this week (if you have any other translations of these same scriptures please quote them in ur response i have 2 kjvs as well as the nwt that i am using...thanks!
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Do " Bad News Religions" Sell Better?
by JH inprobably you all noticed that when disasters strike, news papers sell better.
the tsunami was a good example.
is it that people love to read bad news rather than good news?
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kilroy2
much more than sell, it keeps the rank and file in line.
If you tell the r-n-f that its sunny and wonderfull go live your life to the fullest.
you wont be able to keep them giving time and money.
but if you keep them on the edge of their seats as to the end of the world.
dont get caught up in the things the world has to offer, its just satans way of misleading you because the end is soooooo cloooooose.
1925, millions now living will never die. welll most will not die. well a few will be here for the big a
well you rank and file jumped the gun and misunderstood the meaning of generation, you stupid r&f
but dont get to secure its very close, how close, verrrry close.
only one thing I can say to that. Keep swiming bob.
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Do " Bad News Religions" Sell Better?
by JH inprobably you all noticed that when disasters strike, news papers sell better.
the tsunami was a good example.
is it that people love to read bad news rather than good news?
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kilroy2
but look at the people that it sells to, you don't see many educated people buying the enquirer.
and you don't see many intelligent people going to the hall, the dubbers prey on the lonely, uneducated.
that is why the tabloids are found in bulk in trailer parks. you know the communities, where the homes have tires and the cars don't.
I am not down on people who live in manufactured housing. I started in a single wide. but when that is what you aspire to.
dubbers are by nature lazy people, they want it all figured out for them, they don't want to think for themselves. don't worry, god will make it all better. It may get bad but not to bad, before god will take this all away,.
They are like the coyote from the roadrunner and coyote, as long as they don't look down they wont fall, but I have been told by so many dubbers that they are not going to have to die.
but one by one they die. still waiting for a god that does not exist. and a savior that was manufactured and even stolen from zorasterism.
and a bible that 1200+- years ago some men got together and decided what books form the old Jewish religion were gods word and which were not.
It still amazes me how so many people in this world live their lives based on religion that has if nothing else proved that it is untrue.
p.t. Barnum said their is a sucker born every min. and Adolph Hitler said the bigger the lie the more apt. people are to believe it.
So they give all their time going from door to door, telling people that the end of the world is at hand. and laugh when the door is slammed in their faces, because they are gods personal hand on earth,.
at the same time their kids suffer in school being isolated in their own communities, not being able to participate in going from door to door to just get a 3 musketeers bar, or run down stairs and open a present, or have their parents see them sing in a school play. or watch them hit a ball for the school base ball club.
They buy all the 4 door cars from the local lot, to be good Christians, and don't watch R movies, except when they can see them in private. heavens forbid that they have oral sex with their husbands or wives. but soon we can have our conscience guide them on if they should take whole blood. [ my estimate of what will happen in a couple of years]
I pity them, they live in absolute fear. wasting their short pitiful lives, bowing down to some 80-100 year old men that have never got a blow job in their lives, in fact they have not seen a vagina, if they had seen a virgina they would not want to be part of the governing body. just my 2 cents
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My Phone Conversation With Watchtower on Tsunami Disaster!
by Voyager inmy telephone conversation with the watchtower society, was a sincere attempt to find out what active role the watchtower is taking to help the tsunami victims.
thursday dec. 30, 2004 / approx.
watchtower call on tsunami disaster.. 1-718-560-5000. wt-recording--thank you for calling jehovah's witnesses.. wt rep--jehovah's witnesses, may i help you?.
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kilroy2
why would any one who had a brain in their head give one red cent to an org. that will just keep the money for more towers and bull shit mags. you know they never give out any real help or assistance to those that need food clothes ect.
I watched a video from the socity that was not widly distributed with the old fart king. of the gb. in it he said some as why dubbers do not help in giving to the poor or disaster striken people of the world? He then answered his own question, "jw's can do nothing about the troubles of the people of the world, our job is to deliver the good new of the kingdom of jehovah."
That is all it is about, you give a dollar and it will go to printing so crap to pawn off on some lonely old person that would do better to get a cat or dog.
No good can come from giving a nickel to the dubbers.
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What Terms Do Jehovah's Witnesses Use To Indicate They Are A Cult?
by minimus in.
"the organization" is one of my favorites.
very "cultish" expression, to me.......and you??
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kilroy2
meat in due season
the friends
timely
time of the end
sheep like ones
god the crap that we used to be a part of
I am an atheist now but I almost thank god that I am no longer part of a mind control cult.
the sick twisted crap that we used to spew and get spewed on us 5 times a week.
I would rather have a ballectomy then go back
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What Made Things Finally "Click" With You To Know This Was Not The Truth?
by minimus infor me it was the realization that there was no "faithful & discreet slave", that all the prophecies "proving" that jehovah's witnesses are the only religion approved by god is bogus and the realization that this is a "cult" and there is no real normal sense of love and affection in the "truth".
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kilroy2
the big thing that turned my head, was in 95, the tower that came out and changed the meaning of generation.
then said that they did not change it just refined it, then quietly changed the aid book and others to the new meaning.
then acted like it was much ad about nutin, when in fact it was monumental,
this change was moving one of the very few pillers that still existed from the early beliefs.
I started to think that wow if they can change some major belief just because the time that they set for them selves is running out then there is not much that they will not say to keep power.
they are just like the john edwards and the cold readers of the world, when you are asked to predice if chris revees will walk again and then they say yes,[a cold reader did this on the stern show] then when informed he was dead, they dont skip a beat and say oh yes he is in heaven walking now.
so they say what is good for the moment, shit heads at best.
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The NEED for Acknowledgement and Validation..what do you think?
by LyinEyes ini was flipping thru the channels a few minutes ago and the oprah show was on with an interview with tatum o'neal .
i havent watched all of the show but from what i can get from it so far,,,,,,tatum has a bad relationship with her father , she has written a book about it all.
she and oprah were talking about what could make her have peace with her father and so on .
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kilroy2
JW's will never let you talk to them much less listen to any one about anything that will be critical of thair life support system.
Remember how many still find a way to rationalizse the 75 problem, most of the dubbers still find a way to put this behind them and move on. they are like dale on king of the hill, john redcorn is just giving my wife therapudic messages. yep mmmhu.
You will never get a dubber to look with a critical eye on their religion.
your best thing to do is to move on and have a life. a good life. one not filled with knocking on doors, or preparing for talks, going to 5 meetings a week, and planing your vacations around stupid assemblys filled with old bull shit designed to keep you on the edge of the end of the world seat. live and live good. vote, get involved in the world. and dont feel guilty, when you can do things that used to make you feel uncomfortable and guilty and enjoy them, you are healing, just mho
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Hard to get over: No New System
by confusedjw ini have to tell you something.. i really find it hard getting over the idea of no new system and all that it meant to me.
to be with my children and their children forever in perfect health.. too many days it just leaves me empty.
i just wish i could shake it and enjoy life, but the idea that we just live for 70 years and die kills me.
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kilroy2
I just found out that dave and robin, a couple of dubbers who always looked down on me and my family because we did not go to mind control session, have moved into seperat homes,
wow, dubber mariages have never worked any better than any other groupe of people, the reason that I put this on this forum is for this reason, dave got drop pants happy and needed sex, and married his second cousin robin.
Robin is a nice dim minded person, not to be mean eather, she is also.... how to put this, not atractive to men sir.
I knew that is why dave was always very cold to the guys in the hall that had wives that were nice looking, and very nasty to those who had left that has the same.
I knew also that dave was waiting for the big a. to turn a bovine into a queen, and it gets hard to wait and wait for something that is not coming, I will have that nice house, nice wife or hubby, nice kids, we will get horses, sail around the world, see grandma,
learn a to speak a diff. lang. ect. they let life pass them by with saving to go to assemblys,, and buy a four door car to go in service,
and you cant deduct the gas off of your taxes, the socity gets the tax free ride but not you, wait, wait for the real life. I know many out there have heard that one before, how may catch frazes have you all heard when the real life begins, ect. it is becoming clear to many that this is the real life and they squandered it, well I do not feel to sorry for them,
they are the same ones that kicked us in the teeth for questioning,if they come out good for them, but my guess, is they cant afford to abandon the titanic, they have all they are wraped up in it, so they rearange the deck chairs,
poor saps.
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Were there any cliques in your congregation?
by badboy in.
hope i spell cliques right?.
know what i mean?
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kilroy2
I dont mean any disrespect to your question, but asking if there was cliques in a congergation, is like asking do you study the watchtower on sunday, yaaaaa
some are worse than others, but they all got em,
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Telling my 85 year old dad the reasons why
by littlemike inmt father became a jw during the second world war .
he was conscientous objector before that.he is now 85 years old and i left jw 2 years ago.. on monday i went out with him and something he said just set me off.
in 15 minuted i told him about raymond franz, carl olof johnson, 607bce.
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kilroy2
The socity them selves say that when a person leaves the religon that they should just go their own way and not talk against the religon,
My reply is the same for the old parents and grand parents. if you shut the hell up about the religion, then I will shut up to you about it, but most cant abide by that
they feel the need to convert you espically a child parent relationship,
so why do we have to do what they will not?