when is a personal choice not a personal choice?
when it's hobson's choice.. .
dictionary.com defines hobson's choice as this:.
Any one ever watched On trial for your life or maybe defending your life. with albert brooks? I love rip torn when he says "do you know how much om my brain I use? 46%, do you know how much of your brian you use? 3%, when you use 4% you done want to be on earth any more"
Well when you use 2% of your brain you dont want to be a dubber any more. untill then sit next to mom eat your wounder bread tuna sandwich and shut up and listen
i know many have rejected the idea of organized religion.
i teeter on that myself.
but i have toyed with hooking to a little country church with some friendly people to associate with.
Jaff, I am not trying to say the people, but the religions, all religions have mechanisms for controlling their people. it is inherent in the structure of a religion, and you must follow the thinking of the religion, but on the other hand, their is only a few religions that go to the extent of the wts, and that is scientology,Mormonism, most Islamic faiths, I personally reject all religions as myths, since there is no evidence to support any of them, and they are based on faith, which is believing in something with out evidence.
i know many have rejected the idea of organized religion.
i teeter on that myself.
but i have toyed with hooking to a little country church with some friendly people to associate with.
Atheist and proud of it.
I have read much on the bible, and how it came to be the book that Christians believe that god gave man, That it was a bunch of pampas old ass holes that got together and decided to make this writing part of the bible and not others.
That the bible has so many contradictions in it, it is a joke to believe it is any thing more than an old group of books that man has written to try to explain what science had not been able to at the time, we now have science to show us how things work, that natural disasters are not god punishing us for being "bad",that sickness is not from god, but from other explainable and many times treatable causes.
That when you talk to god, any god you talk to yourself.
That the bible is a book of insignificant stories, most stolen from older religions,
That by believing in the bible or any other religion is to give up your individual thought process, religion, all religion is the process of control of the people.
I have come to hate all religion, no mater what it professes to believe, I cant stand the Christians yelping to keep Terri schiavo alive, or the Moslems telling some ass hold to fly a plane into a building so he can get 72 never before screwed burkas, they are all mind numb idiots.
The only other group besides atheists I have any respect for are agnostics, at least they admit they don't know.
announced our circuit overseer last night in his talk about the urgency to preach because of the times.
followed by a silence that was broken with ohhhs and ahhhs.
he said that a couple of times throughout his part, simulating a beating heart with his fist.
I don't know why any one here is surprised at that comment, They have been doing this in one form or another since Rushford,
I can remember one co getting up on stage at the holt Michigan assembly [cant remember his name] with a paper bag, he talked for about 20 min, about how we should view DFed people, that they were dead in gods eyes, and they should be in ours, blablabla
Then he opened the bag, took out a skull [human don't know if it was real or plastic] held it up to the audience like he had just killed someone and was showing off his trophy to the enemy, and in a loud voice said " Because if this was after Armageddon and you wanted to talk to these people, this is what you would have to talk to, they will be and are dead"
Maybe someone here will remember his name, he was co for the north Michigan circuit about 15 years ago, he was white and appx 30 yo. at the same time heard was do. I did not pay much attention to the co's or do's they did not mean much to me, the meeting did not mean much to me, the assemblies was a fun place to look for chicks. you know jw chicks, I will show you mine if you show me yours.
They will keep doing the same old same old, I have never felt more free then since I have give them the boot, when some of the newer dubbers stumble to my door and say "would you like to live in paradise earth forever?" I say sure but not with you assholes!!!!!!!!!!!
of course i wouldnt want to encourage speculation, but when i was involved in the jws there was sometimes talk of what would or wouldn't be in/acceptable in 'the new system'.
i heard some happifying comments like there wont be any electric guitars or transport, and we wont be wearing clothes but we'll still have seasons
You know the society leaves the detail of what it will be like after the big a a little vague, and I think this is to let every one have a vision of something to believe in, I worked with an retentive elder R Jay that would always turn the usual conversation about I am getting a sail boat, or what ever some one wanted to do, to You will work so hard, you have never worked as hard as you will after the big one.
This guy was a total asshole, and still is. He married me and the wife, not a good memory, When we were on the job he [cunstruction] and another non dubber trade would show up, he would crank the radio on npr radio and play clasical, I dont mind clasical, but prefer blues, jazz, or rock, the plumbers. electriction, ect. would get pissed off to the max, as he would not let any one else play any thing other than what he was palying, can you say control freak?
at the 'big house' you go either one of two ways, company man or apostate.
i think for many that went, it demystified the whole organization and you saw firsthand that there wasn't holy spirit influencing anything - only the muses of sheltered, out-of-touch old men and political bureaucrats.
i work in the corporate world and i saw just as much if not more politics in bethel.
I never had the desire to go to bethal, would rather slam my jhonson in a car door. but a question to those of you who did go, what would be done if you had a small safe in the corner of your room or maybe a foot locker that you could pad lock? I bet this would have been addressed that you can trust all the bors not to steal from you and you should have no secrets from the dubdom.
the parable of the prodigal son.
i will set out and go back to my father and say to him: father, i have sinned against heaven and against you.
" "my son," the father said, "you are always with me, and everything i have is yours.
Its all about control, My first question to you is why do you still go? You stab yourself all over with many pains, Those of us here that have left, have never been happier.
The society is all about control, It will use any means necessary to control your actions, and the actions of others, if they can make a DFing as painful as possible, and the return tough, many who stay in will say[ and many of us here have heard many dubs say this] that they will do what ever it takes to not be DFed.
And in the end it works, the rank and brainwashed are controlled by the dubdom elite. It is like that old movie with rody pipper, where he finds the glasses and the whole world is in a mind numb state, when he puts on the glasses he sees the world for what it is, every thing is designed to keep you in your little rut and working for nothing.
The dubbs do this all to well, by keeping the rank and brain washed putting in as many hours as possible in service and 5 meetings a week, personal study from the propaganda, and then that leaves just enough time to go to work and make some money to give to the blood suckers, all the time telling you the rank and brain washed to not take blood and die if necessary. Nice. very nice.
Our glasses to see through the crap is sites like this. And they hate it. well screw the society, I would not even give them a reach around.
witness abuse
are jehovah's witnesses covering up child molestation?
by joy lanzendorfer
they had no knowledge? They directed the body of elders to keep the crime in house, sounds like conspiracy to me.
well my wife's grandmother died a couple of days ago.
the services will be on monday, anne ritchie, not that it is not expected she was 90. not exactly a spring chicken.. my problem is two fold, my wife's parents have not contacted her or tried to contact her for quite some time.
and when they do her mother stops by her place of work unannounced for "a chat", so now that my wife's mother has lost her best friend [donna never cut the cord] she calls my wife for the funeral, i personally do not want her to go, but i cant tell my wife not to go, and i would like to be there to support her, but after my mother died, and i had to sit through a propaganda speech when it was supposed to be about my families loss.
slur of the W in JW you drop the J and slur the W dubber some one put a sticky up
well my wife's grandmother died a couple of days ago.
the services will be on monday, anne ritchie, not that it is not expected she was 90. not exactly a spring chicken.. my problem is two fold, my wife's parents have not contacted her or tried to contact her for quite some time.
and when they do her mother stops by her place of work unannounced for "a chat", so now that my wife's mother has lost her best friend [donna never cut the cord] she calls my wife for the funeral, i personally do not want her to go, but i cant tell my wife not to go, and i would like to be there to support her, but after my mother died, and i had to sit through a propaganda speech when it was supposed to be about my families loss.
for those who have been there you cant explain it to those who have not, when my mother died, and that was the hardest thing that I have ever went through, I can remember an elder sitting down with us [her four boys] and asking what her fav, scriptures were, and things like the new world order coming was she looking forward to? I so wanted to say SCREW YOU ASS HOLE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HER, they never take the time to get to know any one out side of their click, and even then the click is always on their best guard to never say how they feel, can you say BIG BROTHER!!! IS WATCHING!!,
My mother was looking forward to a book convention, [she was a published writer, had 4 novels published,] no she was not rich, when you are a romance writer you are not paid much, I think she only got 2 or 3k per book. but she loved romance novels, and would read them in secret,you know how the society is about romance novels and soap's so she is published under the name Kathleen Suzan. I have seen her book in wal-mart and some times I brings back the whole thing again.
But to the point, my mothers funeral was a sham, and I shut my mouth to keep the peace, because that is the way my mother was, any thing to keep the peace, like most mothers. When the elder gave the talk, I was sick with the Kathy loved the society and looked forward to the new system, as we all do, this world is passing away, and is so evil, blablablablablabla
Nothing about that she was so looking forward to going to a book signing in neb. or that she loved writing her books. That was her greatest passion, from the talk you would think she was pioneering the new 80 hour service week. She planned to leave the cult as soon as my grandfather passed away, she did not want to have him go alone to meetings.
Always the good daughter trying to keep the peace, and in the end it killed her. she had congestive heart failure.
The crux of the matter is that the society sucks the joy, and even the dam grief from your life. can you imagine the grief. there is not to many religions that do that, scientology is the only one off hand I can think of.
Any way I have had it with this crap. and I cant go. I have thought about it and I know I will be a shit to some people, but so what. I don't talk to those people any way.
