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Anyone With Major Judicial/Service Department Experience?

by A question in

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is there anyone on the board with a large amount of experience with judicial matters or (preferably) with the service department of the society or perhaps even worked on the service department?

if so, i would appreciate the answers to at least some of the following questions:.

does the society ever take the initiative to remove elders, and if so, how do they do it?

pontoon

A QUESTION I was a dub for 40+ yrs. Served for 20 yrs. The senario I laid out in my post yesterday is a general description of how I've seen these situations go. I remember three times when this has happened, once in my congo, a long time ago before I served, but I doubt there was one person in our congo that didn't know what was going on. The problem, as mentioned in other posts was a dysfuntional BOE, during a time that our congo NEEDED a funtioning BOE. I won't comment on that specific. One bro. sent in actually moved into our territory, another brother commuted into our territory. I don't know if those two bros. worked or even knew each other before.

Another time was in another state in my brother in law's congo. For years he would tell me how bad his BOE was, he was a ex-bethelite, pioneer, elder, and had loose lips. I guess he felt he could confide in me. When the clean-up boys were sent into his congo he was one of the ones removed. Moved to another congo with a much better "spirit" according to him and was after some time appointed. Not too long after, that body was no good........got to make a long (years) story short. Moved to another state and was appointed. On visits and phone conversations he started to complain about that BOE. I eventually told him that he seemed to be the common denominator on all these problem BOE's. After that he no longer confided in me, but he was removed or forced to step down. He didn't move, but he changed congos. He is presently serving. It's a saga........on & on and I feel bad for my sister.

Third time was in a nearby congo. Don't know much about it. Just bros. were sent in, cleaned it up and left.

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Anyone With Major Judicial/Service Department Experience?

by A question in

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is there anyone on the board with a large amount of experience with judicial matters or (preferably) with the service department of the society or perhaps even worked on the service department?

if so, i would appreciate the answers to at least some of the following questions:.

does the society ever take the initiative to remove elders, and if so, how do they do it?

pontoon

I've seen the CO request a brother to move to a problem congregation. Not a bethelite, bethel wants a problem cleaned up locally, (and I am very near the Wat. Farm.) There's always a "cover story," for the rank and file. Like your meeting scheduals work better for my family, or we always wanted to live in ........ This brother has whatever power the CO is willing to give him. In a short time one or more elders will be identified as problems and will be removed as elders. Not necessarily DF'd or reproved, just removed from serving. Usually some rearrangement of major assignments,--secretary, FS overseer...... Bro headhunter will continue in cong. for a couple more months, acting as if he had nothing to do with what happened, but at the same time enjoying his status that he knows everybody knows that he has. He and his family are the current cong. superstars, and get a lot of invitations because everyone is trying to show him how spiritual they are. Then the big going away party, headhunter packs up his possessions and family and moves 35 miles back down the road where he came from. Remaining elders breathe a sigh of relief and wonder how they "made it."

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Wanted to get reinstated... Almost ready to give up

by headisspinning in

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i'd like to hear from anyone who was disfellowshipped but fully intended to go back as soon as possible and how that worked out or didn't.

i'd like to hear how soon you went back to meetings, how many letters requesting reinstatement you wrote, how you were treated, and how long it took you to get bitter and jaded.... or in the off chance you had a positive experience, what exactly happened.. really struggling here... thanks!.

pontoon

Simple, write the BOE and tell them that all you friends on the apostate web site you belong to say that you all ought to let me back in. Should do the trick.

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What Doctrines or JW Views Did You Not Find Too Believable?

by minimus in

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the thought that a loving creator would violently destroy anyone not belonging to the jehovah's witness religion including billions of babies seemed just not right.. the fact that you could recieve some "acceptable" blood components but could not donate those same lifesaving yourself seemed strange.

you could recieve a blood fraction but you couldn't give it.. any others you can think of?

?.

pontoon

The wolf and the lamb will feed as one. Isa.65:25. And other verses like it. Wrong. Must be symbolic. Mr. wolf is always going to feed ON the lamb and lions are not going to eat straw. Keep your kid away from that snake hole too.

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Ladies, did/does your ex elder/elder husband tell you what the BOE discussed?

by pontoon in

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Well, I'm not a lady but I started this thread so I'll tell why. I'm out in service one day after a BOE meeting the night before. In the van aside me are 3 sisters, one with her about 13 yr. old son. The boy had diarrhea of the mouth. Never shut up. Talking about what went on at elders meeting last night. Mom was squirrming, kid not taking the hint to shut his big mouth. First chance mom says we're taking this door. As they were walking you could tell that kid was catching holy hell. The next hour he hardly said a word. I figure the kid was listening as elder dad told mom all about the meeting the night before.

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Ladies, did/does your ex elder/elder husband tell you what the BOE discussed?

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Did you feel your BOE was spirit directed?

by pontoon in

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when i was first appointed i did, not me myself, but the body as a whole.

good group of spiritual men.

at first a pleasure to serve with them.

pontoon

When I was first appointed I did, not me myself, but the body as a whole. Good group of spiritual men. At first a pleasure to serve with them. But things change, in my case for the worse. Pettiness seemed to rule the body along with the fact that we probably erred with some of the appointments we made. One fairly young brother became all impressed with himself. His very first BOE meeting his hand shot right up to be on a committee involving immorality, and he's never miss one yet. I think he enjoyed "R" rated problems. New boy on the body should have sat fairly quiet and observed for a couple meetings. Anyone I felt that it wasn't holy spirit that prevailed, but it was the stronger personalities, mainly belonging to one family, always backing each other up. But it was good at first.

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How far are you on your journey away from the JW Org?

by punkofnice in

i mentally left the org in march 2010. i stepped down as an elder after my lad got into trouble.

i researched the publications to make myself 'spiritually strong' but it backfired.. i was in mental and emotional turmoil, still on fs, the platform and meetings etc.

i had to force myself to conform to ever failing jw doctrine.. i announced to my family that i was not going back to meetings in august 2010 after the 'overlapping' joke of 'new light'.. i told the elders not to call.

pontoon

SIAM, what area of the world are you in?

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Vow of Obedience

by Marvin Shilmer in

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vow of obedience.

today i uploaded a document issued in year 2002 to members of the religious order of jehovahs witnesses.

this document highlights something new watchtower began requiring of members of this order.

pontoon

They've been using that term quite a while now. "Christian Order of Jeh........" I think it is one of their many, many corporate names.

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Vow of Obedience

by Marvin Shilmer in

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vow of obedience.

today i uploaded a document issued in year 2002 to members of the religious order of jehovahs witnesses.

this document highlights something new watchtower began requiring of members of this order.

pontoon

Just a little off thread topic, but still related. Close bethel couple to my ex-wife and I were very upset when they HAD to sign a paper to allow the bethel office access to their private medical records. That was just before the big bethel layoffs of 2007 or about. She was especially upset. They got put out anyway. The inference of signing that medical information release was that they would or did lie on their medical health assessement questionier.