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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Cofty

  Personal "experience" is by definition subjective and does not count as objective evidence

  Exactly. But that does not mean it cannot or should not contribute to a person's belief system

  So what's your point? The scientific method discovers new things every day. Theology hasn't added a single thing to the sum total of human knowledge in thousands of years

  I thought this was about respect for beliefs rather than theology. Dare i whisper 'strawman'?

  I do unless the person is trying to also pretend their beliefs are true.

  Good. But we are well beyond the over-simplification of 'truth' as the watchtower uses it, I hope. In fact, if the person is trying to force beliefs on others as 'truth', I would agree with you

  I have no idea what you just said but your obsession with "tone" is tedious in the extreme.

  Perhaps you are tired. Let's continue another time.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  TS100

  Belief changes but evidence does not! Science evolves with understanding of new discoveries not new light.

  I entirely agree with your point as I understand it. The misuse of 'new light' by the Watchtower is a joke.

  'Evidence' - by which I mean reproducible results given the same experimental conditions - does not change, but can be refined and the accepted theories for the results can change.
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Cofty

  Our beliefs should be commensurate with the evidence. That is what it means to be rational.

  There's the issue that I see. There is simply no existing 'evidence' that one person would accept for what another person might have seen or experienced. Plus the 'evidence' provided by science evolves over time.

  I understand that you do not take into consideration whether or not the belief is beneficial to the believer and those around her/him?

  Before you go any further constructing a straw man please go back and read my first post on this thread on page 1 carefully.

  Now this is what I'd call a bit over-'robust'. Not quite an ad-hominem, but perhaps a beginners attempt at mind-reading?
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  On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.

  i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.

  it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.

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  Exactly, Peacefulpete.

  So if I go up to a couple of JW elders at a cart and ask them how they justify their history of false prophecy that is a form of assault is it?

  If you ask for information on the basis of their beliefs, it's neither attack nor assault. It all depends on how, er, "robust" your questioning is.

  Also, Cofty, it would be helpful if you would define your use of "bad beliefs".

  thanks, Retro
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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 10-11-2015 WT Study (EXPECTATION)

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  blondies highlights from the10-11-2015 wt study (august 15, 2015), pages (14-18) .

  for pictures see this link.

  opening comments.

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  I wonder how "having a zealous share in the peaching work" can equate to sitting near a trolley avoiding eye contact. . .
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  If you could name the theme of an assembly what would it be???

  by karter in

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  divine boredom.

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  Let's give Jehovah a rest! The FDS will do it all.
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  My thoughts on Geoffrey Jackson

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  first off, i don't think that dude is going to show face.

  he's most likely on a plane already.

  if he shows it's bad pr and if he doesn't show it's bad pr.

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  At the end of Geoffrey Jackson's testimony, the judge said he was 'released from his subpoena' so he had been served with one. Strange, when he'd ealier said how happy he was to 'assist' . . .
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  [Day 8 - 14/8]Governing Body, Geoffrey Jackson - Royal Commissions On Child Sexual Abuse, Australia. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the big day finally arrived!

  these amazing royal commission proceedings are available on youtube :).

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 will soon be available.. part 1:.

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  An interesting change of direction at about 27:55, when Angus Stewart had just asked GJ if he would deny that "apostate lies" dismissal of the RC's work. . . .Jackson first spars for time, then actually says that it is a "broad question (WTF??) because "such people make many other accusations"

  Then realises he's digging a deep hole and changes tack to " it doesn't matter who makes the accusation. . ."

  Yes, he's quite saccy but not word perfect either!
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  GeeJay at the RC: highlights, paraphrases and translations.

  by sparrowdown in

  1. social
  2. humour

  q: is there anyone that has the permanent role of coordinator or chairman?.

  geejay: no, we rotate yearly...... (translaton) we are all sparticus.. geejay: we are a faith driven org, we are not a group of lawyers, being overly concerned with legal matters..... fave quotes .

  on establishing headship principle 1cor 14: 33-35, 1 cor 11:3. geejay:...... that's talking about women not excitedly jumping up arguing with others..... geejay: ......our literature has said it, and we agree!.

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  That would make them rather scary co-pilots, surely?
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  Geoffrey Jackson Royal Commission update

  by umbertoecho in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  hello people.

  the rc will still go ahead with it's live stream on friday 14th august.

  however, it seem that it will be a video link.

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  So glad you're onto it, C0ntr013r!