Posts by saltyoldlady

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Your Favorite Kingdom Song (versions)

by pirata in

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what were your favorite kingdom song (versions) when you were a jw?.

albums.

5 stars.

saltyoldlady

Wow - Nomad Soul - That video was SO POWERFUL! Thank you every so much.

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...and then, something Amazing happened! (Don't view if you don't want to cry)

by Terry in

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game winning homerun turns tragic - but then something amazing happenedwww.godvine.comafter this girl hit her first ever home run, she tore her acl running to first base.

just when tragedy was inevitable, something odd, yet amazing, happened.

watch this very touching video to see the inspirational outcome.

I saw this one too, Terry. And I also was much moved by it - in fact I put it up on my Face Book page for all my grandchildren to read in addition. This is what I call true sportsmenship - empathy and compassion in action - signs of spiritual maturity whether caused by a religious background or not. And I too felt the tears well up - tears of joy there are still people like this out there in our world today.

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Happifying? Real WT quote, or are we joking -

by james_woods in

maybe i just missed it, (the story of the word) - but i am seeing this word "happifying" in a lot of threads.. can it possibly be that the wt actually printed this??

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saltyoldlady

Another word the WTS invented - at least it seems to me they invented it - is "upbuilding." When I first came in it used to drive me crazy every time they used it and they use it a lot. In my day and age which obviously is long long ago when they started sentences with "why" the terminology was to build up - never upbuild.

So that being said I will now be happified and upbuilt. I remember when that word happified appeared in the mags and couldn't believe my own eyes either. But then I get upset when my grandchildren say "he did good" instead of using the adverb "well." Over the years I never did find a WT speaker that used well instead of the adjective good. I concluded they didn't know the difference between adjectives and adverbs.

Maybe this caused me to "lose faith" in the outfit. Supposedly people who read the Bible often will have better english and grammar. But reading the NWT doesn't help. I find myself constantly rewording their sentence construction as I try to memorize passages. And I am no "great shakes" when it comes to english grammar or punctuation either. I just like using dashes for everything. LOL

So now I will be happified as I am well upbuilt (or maybe I should say upbuilt goodly!)

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If People Told you the JW's Would Change These Beliefs & Practices.....

by flipper in

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would you have believed it ?

( i give credit to the poster password protected for giving me the idea of this thread ) .. after exiting the witnesses in 2003 i have noticed many changes within the wt society which really surprised me but after analyzing the changes - they really have convinced me the wt society and jehovah's witnesses are a mind control cult intent on ruling people's lives.

here are some i have noticed that have changed :.

saltyoldlady

And oh a PS - after reading the above comment I agree I think the blood policy might and at least "should" be changed to a matter of personal conscience. They have practically made it that way anyway and legally they would be in a much better position to take that stand instead of the current one.

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If People Told you the JW's Would Change These Beliefs & Practices.....

by flipper in

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would you have believed it ?

( i give credit to the poster password protected for giving me the idea of this thread ) .. after exiting the witnesses in 2003 i have noticed many changes within the wt society which really surprised me but after analyzing the changes - they really have convinced me the wt society and jehovah's witnesses are a mind control cult intent on ruling people's lives.

here are some i have noticed that have changed :.

saltyoldlady

No - I have to say I would not have predicted any of these changes - was really shocked when they discontinued the home book study arrangement and combined it with the Theocratic School night.

The changes in the 1935 closing for anointed ones was forced by the fact none of the GB qualified anymore. Think the generation gap thing had to happen too because of the expired time - average guy just doesn't live to be 100 years old. Though their explanation really a poor one and doesn't satisfy anybody I fear.

I'm not much of a prognosticator but if I were to try and speculate on what changes might be down the road - it wouldn't surprise me if they went to just one magazine per month for both the Awake and WT next. Great cost savings idea. And they seem to be looking at those items. And at least for the US maybe they will go to all computer transmission - no more printing costs - just have everybody print off their own copy at home for the meetings. Now that would be a brilliant idea.

One change you left off your list but which we also would never have predicted - leaving Brooklyn and moving all to Walkill and Patterson - upper state New York.

Changes I'd like to see but which will NEVER happen - just come out and admit they were wrong about 1914 and the 2520 year stuff. That they would at least say "we don't know" instead of doing what they are currently doing. Another change that needs to happen is STOP the DF'ing, etc. etc. - life would go so much better for them if they would get over that stuff - if someone doesn't think another is "decent" association they won't associate - that is 2nd nature. People are judgmental by nature - no need to encourage that trait. And I doubt it would cause the place to go any wilder than it currently is if they stopped the practice. And then another thing that would greatly benefit them would be to stop the time slips - time reporting in total - it's all a sham anyway and Jehovah is able to figure out the score without the help of our paperwork. LOL. And then open up the partaking of the emblems to everyone - no need for anyone to know who thinks he's going to heaven and who thinks he is staying on earth. What difference does it make? Now those would be some great changes but we'll NEVER see them. And one I feel very strongly about - report sexual molestation cases to the authorities pronto and if a registered offender comes into the congregation put it on the bulletin board for all to see. They do that in my apartment building - and we have one in my Bible Study Class - and he let us all know the facts right up front. The Senior Center will not allow him to be a leader or substitute leader for the group because of this. But we need to stop shielding these people from the results of their sins. We can be kind, forgiving, and all that good stuff without making it possible for a repeat offense.

Oh and I do expect that the previously talked about change - to eventually drop all CO's is going to happen. Getting the local PO's to do the job has to be an attractive alternative to that arrangement from a monetary standpoint.

And I wouldn't be surprised to see an age limit get placed on Bethel workers - to save themselves the expenses of taking care of the elderly. Not that I think this is a good idea mind you, but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they take this organizational move. Seems like they already have done a bit of culling and weeding out of the sickly ones in the staff already but I wouldn't be surprised to see them make it mandatory release if you get sick - period. That kind of changes I think will happen.

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Homeschooling and JW children

by Pams girl in

how many jw kids are homeschooled where you are?

its not very common here in the borough where i live.

i just found out on the grapevine that a girl i know is taking her kids out of our very good primary school because she feels the other children are having such a bad influence on her kids.

saltyoldlady

I homeschooled my daughter right from the beginning - but it had nothing to do with being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I just thought It was the best way to raise her and would have loved to have grown up that way myself. There was no one else in our local area doing it at the time - this was back in the late 70's into the 80's - but in the metropolitan areas it seemed people were more accepting of doing things differently. When we moved to a very small community out in the sticks - oh my goodness - they nearly wanted to DF me for taking such a course with my child. By that time she was ready for high school work. We suffered quite a bit of verbal backbiting about the matter but did everything per the law of the land so there was nothing they could do about it except deny my daughter the right to pioneer which broke her heart at the time.

We never needed to spend more than a couple hours a day on the school work - used Christian Liberty Academy for the gradeschool years and then American School for the highschool course. They placed her directly in 3rd grade upon their entrance tests and we took two years to complete the third grade. I worked very diligently with her in that time. She was able to pick things up easily but had a terrible time learning to write legibly at first. She breezed thru High School and received her diploma at age 13.

Then I arrived one home the next fall after a grocery shopping excursion and found her in a puddle of tears with her daddy - when I asked why he told me she was devastated she would never get to know what public school was like cause she had already graduated and all her friends at the KH were going to public school - she had seen them signing up that fall day - there were an unusual number her age at our hall - 7 of them all in the same age bracket. So daddy hauled her off to see if she couldn't take a course or two at the public school for the kicks of it - was told "no" - she already had a diploma - no could do. My husband was a character - loved to tease people with a straight face - so he announced "who do I need to get out the gun and shoot" over this - wouldn't have gone over today - this pre 9/11. They told him he would have to get special permission from the Superintendent of Schools.

That was an easy matter to do - he had interviewed us before in order to get the permission to homeschool. And we had a good repoire so he said she could take any thing she wanted in any grade at the high school. I was shocked she decided to sign up for all freshman course subjects but that was because she wanted to be with her buddies from the KH. She got her name on the Marque for Student of the Year type stuff - a no no for KH kids and that brought ostracism too. But one thing that made me feel good they put her through the SAT test in the spring and I of course had wondered if we had done a really good and adequate job with our home schooling efforts. She garnered the top half of the top 1 percent for the nation so I put my fears to rest on that matter. Turns out she has a great IQ - she didn't get it from me. But home schooling was easy for her and gave her time to acquire tons of other talents along the way.

One major mistake we made - not permitting her to go on to college. We moved back to the big city at the end of that year and she could have gone to the University but we were good Jdubs so we didn't do that. Now in her late 30's she is having to pursue that college degree along with working full time and being a mother of five teenagers. But the job promotion opportunities kept passing her by because she didn't have the "degree."

Social skills - she never lacked for those - she was by nature very outgoing and always had lots of friends from the hall to play with after school during the week and weekends. And the ability to approach strangers and present oneself with poise is trained into us with field service work. In fact a funny experience in that regard was with the school superintendent I had mentioned earlier - he saw us in the grocery store and asked if she was our daughter when he saw us together. Yep I replied. And then he told about her coming to his door one early Saturday morning and he gave her "the gruff old man" treatment - later felt so ashamed of himself about it - but he had been irritated about being woken up Saturday morning to talk about religion. Told us she handled it with magnificent poise and a sense of humor - completely won him over. Told us we could be proud of her. What he didn't know is she used to practice her presentation on her daddy who was an old man - he was age 48 and I 37 when we produced her so she had "old" parents - and he always teased her with gruff old men responses giving her the worst of times. So she was perfectly at home with that kind of response and just responded to the superintendent as if he were her father.

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Did You Tend To Question The Organization Or Did You Just WANT To Believe?

by minimus in

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i know some who always questioned the elders, the society, and others because they were typically skeptical.. there are those who just seemed to want to believe whatever they were told.. i was more a skeptic, during my last decade.. .

saltyoldlady

I fought my way into the "truth" as it is so wrongly called taking over ten years to take the step but still wanted to believe in a desperate way. After years of trying to convince myself it really was the truth and everybody else too - TRUTH dawned. Nobody else was buying into it - why was I? Those that were members were like robots and zombies - no real conviction - just going thru the motions. And after years of exhaustive effort to please Jehovah in every way I could construe it dawned on me He loves me in spite of everything and I didn't need to "earn" His love - His love for me was unconditional - it was real. And serving Him wasn't about a myraid of rules and statistics on a time slip. Cheerful joyful service is worth far more than rigid self-sacrificing attitudes. And as my love for Him grew I outgrew the organization - slid right out without any tears or sorrow except for the wish I could have brought others along with me. In comparison to the way I went in I came out like greased lightening but it seems like it took forever for me to get the blinders off and really open my eyes - to escape the delusion of an illusion!

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Question for our WT history experts

by tenyearsafter in

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does anyone know the significance or meaning of the suit of armor depicted in the upper right hand corner of the picture?.

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saltyoldlady

To add my two bits here - the symbols first asked about looked all for the world to me like Knights Templar and I guess someone else saw that connection too. Knights of Malta isn't much better connection - maybe even worse. Yes it may be Russell had no connection with these "black" orders but to use some of their symbols shows then a total lack of knowledge about their history or evil backgrounds. It may well be he was totally ignorant - as ignorant in these areas as he was about many other subjects like Bible chronology and history - that being said I have enjoyed many an article in those original WT's from the 1800's - there was a freshness and openness of spirit missing in today's fare.

And yes I know that the shepherd's crook, etc. are also associated with good things. Good things are often used by bad people to hide their deeds and real purposes.

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Hits the nail right on the head!!!

by iamwhoiam in

enjoy!!.

http://www.ted.com/talks/kathryn_schulz_on_being_wrong.html.

saltyoldlady

/Now I want a sequel - Learning how to enjoy being wrong, or What to do if I am wrong, or Why am I ALWAYS wrong! Or how can I make the other guy appear like he's wrong LOL

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Question for our WT history experts

by tenyearsafter in

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does anyone know the significance or meaning of the suit of armor depicted in the upper right hand corner of the picture?.

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saltyoldlady

Wow - that is an interesting question? It brings up all kinds of ideas in my mind - none of them good ones. Will get back to you after I do some research.