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  Candles and JWs

  by badboy in

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  i wonder how many jws r aware that candles have pagan origins as admitted by bishop newman(sp?

  ) in the 19th century?

  should a faithfull jw have anything to do with candles therefore?

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  KPL

  Funny, I remember attending several candle parties hosted by witnesses. One was even an elders wife and daughter.
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  Do your parents still talk to you?

  by scootergirl in

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  just curious if your parents still have contact with you after you have been df'd/da'd.

  mine have stood by w/strong convictions not to have contact w/me.

  they have to have some being that i have kids that they want to see (but that is very minimal).

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  I was DF 2 years ago and at first my parents flipped out. My father wouldn't alk to me, which was hard, becuase my mother was minding my kids for the summer when it happened. I would come to pick them up, and he would leave the room or act like I wasn't there. My mother talked to me, but very little. For the first year my parents never called me or spoke to me much, my mom would make dinner for the kids and she would save me a plate to take home but wouldn't invite me to eat with them. i am grateful they didn't cut me off completly because out of thier 5 kids, I had been the closest too them for years, becuse my brother and I were the only ones still in the Borg. My brother is now inactive and they have no children attending with them. I was talking to my mother a few months ago and we got on the subject of my DFing. I told her how I felt when it happened, how I had felt abandoned when i was going through the divorce and how I had lived 5 minutes from the hall and not ONCE had anyone stopped by to talk to me. I had started seeing someone a year after the divorce and THEN the elders wanted to meet with me. They were only interessted in putting an end to things. She really listened and I think she finally understood and agreed. Recently on the kids school vacation, I went to pick them up and she was cooking dinner, she asked me to stay while she cooked and then sat down with me and ate! That small move meant so much to me. She and my father have finally been more loving, calling me and talking to me again. I hope they are finally opening thier eyes to how wrong shunning loved ones is.

  You can serve God without serving the
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  Watchtower Media preps for Dateline!

  by Dogpatch in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  watchtower spin doctors!.

  dr. gail bethea-jackson tells us that we didn't know what child abuse was 18-20 years ago.

  gag on this one!.

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  Lets see, My sisters and I were molested by an elder in 1975. Even back them they handled it much the way they would today. We all ahd to go before a commitee of 3 elders and tell them what happened. The difference then maybe from now was he had a right to sit in the same room while we told our stories. One at a time we had to go in and talk about what was said and what was done to us. It was very frightning at 7 years old to go through that. He was a member of another congregation, so I only found out through my parents what the outcome was. They told us he was disfellowshipped, but now I have mentioned before, I wonder if he was. I remember my parents being angry that he denied it and I remember having to see him at assemblies, I can still picture him and his wife talking with other people as if nothing were wrong. They may have told us that because they were ashamed that the organization did nothing. They stopped attending for many years after that. My parents became active again after we were all grown. They are active now. I wonder if the dateline show will make them recall there own personal experience and open their eyes. That would be wonderful to be able to have a normal relationship with them again since I am disfellowshipped and they have minimal contact with me.
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  WT Lies on Child Molestations

  by ThiChi in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  well the wt now says that we did not have a body of knowledge on the effects of child molestations twenty years ago.

  rubbish!.

  thanks to herbert, this is just a sample of wt observations on this subject:.

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  The way I taught my children about child molesters was to tell them my personal experience. I was molested by an elder when I was 7. He also had molested both my older sisters and his own granddaughters. I told them how I felt ashamed and when I told my parents, we had to tell the elders and he was punished. What I didn't tell them yet, was how I had to go before 3 brothers and tell them in detail what was said and what was done, all while the elder got to sit in the same room staring at me. I was told by my parents that he was disfellowshipped, but now looking back, maybe he wasn't. After all, there were not two witnesses to the event and he did not admit guilt.Fortunatly he wasin another congregation, but I remember having to see him at assemblies talking to other people and acting like he did nothing wrong. I didn't think too much about it in years until recently with all the new information coming to light. I find that even after 27 years, I have so much anger about the way it was handled. He should have gone to jail!
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  What "hooked" you?

  by roybatty in

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  im not sure if this has been discussed before but id be interested to read some comments from those who became jws later in life.

  what caught your attention and sucked you in?.

  my parents became jws when i was 5 years old, so it was pretty much the only way of life that i knew.

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  Born into it, left as a teen, and returned (groan) after I was married and expecting my son. I was baptised after my daughter was born. Served zealously while married to an "unbelieving" mate. divorced, a few years later DF'd. For me, the reason I returned was because of a huge guilt trip. All 5 of thier children no longer attended and they were so happy when I finally said ok when they asked. After that, I didn't have the heart. Eventually I woke up.
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  Does Anything Go In Apostate Warfare

  by HildaBingen in

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  ex-jw also complain about theocratic warfare.

  they say jw lie to carry out war against satan and his system.

  jw never lie.

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  Hilda, Why are you suddenly pretending you don't speak english well? you seemed to do fine in previous posts.

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  I once had a friend who had racial epithets hurled at her by a white man. He was not the only one who showed himself to be a racist. She also went to get a job at a huge prominent corporation in a prosperous country and she did not get the job because she was a certain color. She knows this is the case because the company later got in trouble for discriminationagainstwomen and people of color and were punished by their government.
  From these incidents, I conclude racism is a big problem in the country I am talking about. Do not tell me it is all in my head. White folks are biggots. I have the experience and stats to prove it, hon.

  Hilda in Christ

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  Don't the monitors ever doubt...

  by meat pie in

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  thinking about d8ta's excellent post reminded me of something my husband said the other day,'don't these wt monitors ever doubt the wt after reading all this stuff?

  ' surely there are some who, after reading pages and pages of info that cannot be written off as 'evilpostatestuff'their consciences must trouble them .

  or do they really think the org will save them at armageddon, not god or jesus?

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  KPL

  perhaps those who monitor know how false the organization is, but are too drunk with power to care.

  You can serve God without serving the
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  Unfairly Disfellowshipped

  by CiCi in

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  after being disfellowshipped 2 years ago, i finally got up the courage to join this discussion board.

  my story is short and sweet.

  well not sweet but short.

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  KPL

  That's unbelievable. It takes two witnesses to the same incident to DF a child molester, but in your case all they had was a piece of paper.

  You can serve God without serving the
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  Very difficult position - Please help

  by Elsewhere in

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  i've found myself in a very difficult position.

  with the .com bust and the recession i am having a very difficult time finding work.

  i have lived on savings and unemployment insurance for quite some time now, but im going to run out of savings at the end of this month.

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  I wish I was closer to you. I can understand your position. You probably feel very alone right now, but your not! We are all here to listen. About 2 years ago I was laid off from a .com company also. I also had to give up my apt. and my JW parents wouldn't help. I was laid off and now homeless. I was also recently divorced with 2 small children. I was asked to make a commitment to the organization at the most depressing time in my life. Not long after that I was DF'd. I lived in an office with my kids for a few moths and then a " wordly" friend I used to work with opened her home to me and my children. I lived in a 3rd floor 2 bdrm apt with my friend and her daughter. I lived with her for 9 months until I could afford to get my own apt. It opened my eyes to a lot of things, one being how my "wordly" friends were there for me more than any of my JW friends or family ever were. I am now working in a great job, have a nice apt walking distance from the kids school and am in a happy relationship. Things may seem pretty bad right now, but they will get better. It will take time, but you sound like a survivor!
  Hang in there.

  You can serve God without serving the
  "Organization"