i was pondering this today during lunch, and to me it seems that it comes down to whether or not you can accept that you will one day be permanantly gone and anyone you have lost in death will never be alive again.
once a person becomes comfortable with these two ideas, there isn't really any incentive to believe.
maybe it's an over simplification, but it seems to me that this is the heart of the matter.
I still wish to live forever in a way or another, but all my reason and logical inferences says to me there's no way to scape from absolute oblivion.
Nobody believes in a god b/c it so nice, good, benevolent and stuff. It's b/c THE PROMISE of everlasting life, no matter if in a flesh and bone or in a smoke body, all the people want it's not die.
That's the ultimate truth: oblivion.
i reported the other night that we sat down to watch the new video, and while my wife was smiling and laughing while watching the first part, she stiffened and became quiet during part two.
it disturbed her deeply:.
"this is ridiculous.
Sometimes it's just a little thing that start a thought change. My mother started to doubt when she saw the subliminal pictures in the litter-a-turd. To the SI it's just a curiosity, just like Sparlock but these little things could bring a ignition to the fire of doubt.
i have neglected to read jwfacts.org since discovering jwn a few weeks ago (remnants of the "apostate" defenses in action), but recently i decided to dive head first into it, and it has been eye-opening.
of course, some of the information i already knew through reading jwn, but one of the pages that really got my attention was the paradise earth topic under "questionable doctrine".. paradise earth caught my eye because way before i started having doubts about jw doctrine, i have always been asking questions about the topic - not to raise doubts (since i didn't have any back then), but just for my personal understanding, and to see how plausible it could be.
in the past i have asked things like:.
The great great gap in this doctrine it's about the animals. Will they have everlasting life too? And about the insects?
Another gap it's about the death itself. As death being eliminated automatically every living being would be immortal. Are there death levels or "classes" too? Are the bible making a reference just to the adamic death?
i was scared stiff of the demons all of my life growing up as a jw.
you know the stories.
i am way more open minded now that i have been out for 3 years or so.
Demons are just drunk angels.
yes some of you gullible fools likely thought it was a wt offer...but you forget how i roll!
oompa pledges $1000.00 to any jw that actually makes a door to door convert!..........that:.
1. has free access to the internet and has no phobia about using it for research.
Interesting idea! I'm planning to do the same in my local newspaper!
I would add:
Have no JW's relatives.
2 and 3 are a bit redundant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8wpvvzcxwc.
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i don't know if anyone posted this yet, but the kids singing this song made me even more sick to my stomach then some parts of the viedo, i hate this song because you know what they mean by "listen obay and be blessed" - translation: you must listen to the governing body or else!.
Did you guys have noticed a lack of pro JW posts in these videos on YT? Seems like the very JW's are ashamed of that stuff. It's just embarassing!
i just saw in another thread that there are only 7 approved plans for kh designs.
for a long time there was also 7 gb.
are there any cases where its >7<< when it could very well be some other number ?.
Interesting point. The number 7 in the WT universe means Jehovah's perfect organization and the number six means Satan's imperfect organization.
i did for a year.
i falsified reports, had fake rv's, told groups i was meeting up with other groups and went home just to show a presense.
i wasn't fading though, because of my situation i had to play like everything was fine.
I just tossed a coin and choose between a little duck (2) or a umbrella handle (6). That's how I did my FS report when I discovered TTATT.
What a weird grin!
the etan patz story was huge when i was a kid in the 70's.
very scary, parents didn't let kids out of their sight.
investigators found the body several weeks ago, and now this guy comes forward.. http://www.philly.com/philly/news/new_jersey/20120525_neighbors_shocked_that_etan_patz_rsquo_s_confessed_killer_lived_among_them.html.
*murderer
