DesirousOfChange

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  Question: When did the JWs start having judicial committees?

  by Spiral in

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  i've been reading the book recommended by zing "soul snatchers, the mechanics of cults" (bought a used copy online) and one of the things mentioned was how cults police all aspects of their members' lives.

  so it got me to wondering, when did the practice of three men (elders) having a hearing (or should we say trial) and passing judgment on a member start?

  did the early bible students do this?

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  There is WT article in about 1947 that condemns "excommunication" (referring to the Catholic Church). But JC's and DFing was around in the mid-60s. I remember a DF announcement when I was early teens
  
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  Big elders meetings?

  by road to nowhere in

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  i hear of whole circuit meetings being held, taking all day.

  maybe just usual yearly stuff, but it seems the local elders immediately held a followup.

  i am sure it will be about better local control, more charity, kindness, that sort of thing.

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  Big elders meeting?

  Just curious if this is a meet for only "big Elders" -- meaning an Elder who is 5ft 4 in tall would not qualify?

  Or is it for Big (Time) Elders? You know the ones that can't buy a hat that will fit their oversized eqo?

  Must be the hangover.

  HAPPY NEW YEARS!
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  Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

  by idk123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hope you are all well,.

  i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

  see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

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  The newest scenario is not answer phone, keep track of thru relatives, go to hospital uf they are in, or as noted elsewhere return any mail. And absolutely no funeral That will bring them back to loving jehovah.

  The "alternative new thing" is that there are many JWs who just ignore that shit and carry on normally with their DF kids and grandkids but know NOT to talk about it to anyone, which is why they are covertly putting the hammer down on Elders/MS who ignore the (secret) rule to shun.
  
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  Is it possible to nullify a baptism?

  by idk123 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hope you are all well,.

  i was wondering within the organisation if there are any guidelines or grounds for nullifying a baptism.

  see i grew up a jehovah's witness and was baptised at age 13, i didn't get baptised for the right reasons, i felt pressured to because my friends were getting baptised at the same time.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Out of respect for the organization

  Your thinking is fucked up. They deserve no respect. They respect no one else.

  Also, Finkelstein is correct. WT lawyers have made the sworn statement in court that ONLY spiritual relationship with family members is to cease. NORMAL FAMILY RELATIONS CONTINUE.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DiFM845NtE

  This is a clip from the hearing. Show it to your parents. If they say that is not true, then ask them if they mean the WT Society representative (attorney) LIED UNDER OATH. If they say it is fake, ask them to contact the Branch and ask if this is their position or if they lied in Court.

  Be really f&cking stumbled that WT is lying in Court. Paul said to "pray for the King" and respect the Superior Authorities. It would appear to me that something or someone way up in WTS has gone rogue (apostate)!
  
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  Authorities Raid Russian Jehovah’s Witnesses

  by Bangalore in

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  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/12/31/authorities-raid-russian-jehovahs-witnesses-uthorities-raid-russian-jehovahs-witnesses-a68786.

  authorities raided homes of jehovah’s witnesses in northern russia as part of a criminal probe into extremism against the banned religious organization, investigators said in a statement monday.. russia banned the christian denomination known for door-to-door preaching, close bible study and rejection of military service and blood transfusions in 2017. rights groups have condemned the crackdown against the jehovah’s witnesses as a violation of religious freedom.

  investigators in the city of murmansk accused worshippers of “knowingly conducting the activities of the religious organization from april 2017 to the present time.” .

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  Wish they'd quit it with this shit. It just fuels the persecution complex of every JW.
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  Watchtowers Real Estate Website...www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com/

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  is this for real?.

  https://www.watchtowerbrooklynrealestate.com/.

  apologies if this has been brought up before..

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  Hell no!

  They sold every parcel they once owned in Brooklyn. Nothing more to advertise.
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  "Do You think that 8 million are being deceived?" Ways to answer this?

  by BottleGate_ in

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  mine is : jws preach that the entire population of the earth has been deceived ..

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  I don't know about the other 7,999,999, but I sure the hell was deceived!
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  meeting attendance

  by asp59 in

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  how much has meeting attendance gone down say the last 10-15 years at khs do you think?

  in percentage.

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  Since their plan is to merge Congregations, I expect that the actual attendance figures (per Cong) have increased. It's good biz policy. A full building looks better and is more exciting than a 1/2 empty room. (Think Trump rally vs Biden town hall.)
  
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  Did You Know Any "Genuine"" Old School Anointed?

  by Number 6 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  growing up in scotland in the 1970s in scotland the anointed were few and far between, but we had one old dude in our cong who claimed to be one of the anointed.

  in the days when it was taken seriously.. i'd be curious how you viewed them.

  thing is, he wasn't an elder, or even a ministerial servant, just a plain old publisher.. but he was revered like he had a hotline to jesus.. the other week i was talking to a friend of similar age to me but who hung around the wt a lot longer than i did, and he just commented "oh him... he was a doddery old fool who used to just sit and piss himself.

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  To me, “genuine, old school” would suggest that they felt the calling before the old rules changed — before 1935. Thus they would have had to have been born before 1915. So they are all dead. The ones I knew as a child seems like any other JW, just older.

  Whereas any “new partaker” that I have known has had issues with mental illness, usually bi-polar. Additionally, I think that anyone who really thinks they have this special personal calling from God to rule over all their JW peers has to at least a bit narcissistic and an inflated opinion of themself.
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  Favorite Bumper Stickers!

  by The Bethelite in

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  2. friends

  one the jws like.. "get busy!

  god is coming and he is pissed.".

  one the that people who are not jws like.. "please god protect me from your people".

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  DesirousOfChange

  “Put down your damn phone and drive!”

  .......

  During the Reagan administration:

  ”Jane Wyman was right!”