DesirousOfChange

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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  DesirousOfChange

  Personally, I'd have never acknowledged that I was reading this thread.
  
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  How many here turned Athiest or did not and why??

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  me i slowly came to see religion was a crutch we use to dream of a better "afterlife"....i feel half my life was wasted building an organisation that had no criminal mastermind behind it...just alot of mislead people looking for leadership.

  if your still religious explain why..

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  DesirousOfChange

  I believe in religion. I believe religion is a Snare and a Racket.

  Regarding GOD, I’d really really like to believe but frankly there is insufficient evidence. The fact that the distance between the earth and the sun is “just perfect” for life as we know it just is not convincing “evidence”. The Evolutionists are more convincing if you look with an open mind.
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original reddit post (removed).

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'm not only amazed that Cedars is still plodding along, I'm also amazed this string of posts is plodding along as well. He stepped on some fingers on his way "up the ladder" and those people remember that. But as someone mentioned the Swaggart scandal and I suspect he will survive even though there will be some continued fallout.
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  Jw's sending me invites and letters, I don't get it.

  by Foolednomore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  first off, i have made it real clear with jw's my thoughts on being a jw.

  i'm out, there is no coming back.. second, i'm on their " do not call list" .. so why now all of a sudden my mailbox is getting bombed 💣 by their memorial invites and letters?.

  don't they follow their do not call list?

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  DesirousOfChange

  On the front of the letter write "Wrong Address - Return to Sender".

  I believe that will get the US Post Office to return all the mail sent to that individual.
  
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  The senseless ''non partakers'' Jesus Memorial

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  matthew 26: 18-20 .

  18 he said: “go into the city to so-and-so and say to him, ‘the teacher says: “my appointed time is near; i will celebrate the passover with my disciples at your home.19 so the disciples did as jesus instructed them and prepared for the passover.20 when evening came, he was reclining at the table with the 12 disciples.. only jesus and his 12 disciples were present at the passover .if jesus wanted observers, he would of had some sit down at his last meal and requested that they be present that day and future passovers.

  why does the wts feel that observers ( non partakers ) need to attend the yearly memorial?

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  DesirousOfChange

  Nissan ( not the car ) 14

  I think it is spelled: Nisan
  
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  Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

  by doasthouwilt in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

  our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

  once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

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  DesirousOfChange

  You are right that she's lying to her friends and ministers by not letting on but she would be, conversely, lying to herself by disallowing her natural feelings, inclinations and desires and that can't lead to a happy life either. This system she was born into creates a high likelihood of unhappiness - it almost insures some level of lifelong misery. It functions like a trap and you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.~ datw

  Well, hell, where do I sign up for that? Why would anyone run like hell to get away from that kind of manipulation that's makes them unhappy, miserable, and trapped? In fact, wouldn't you want to VOLUNTEER to be a "full time" slave for them and help recruit other people suckers to join you in that miserable system?

  WAIT! All of us here HAVE quit volunteering for that system! And, all of here have laid a plan to RUN LIKE HELL to escape it. That doesn't mean some (or even most) of us don't have some misery or unhappiness, but at least we aren't trapped in the bOrg any longer.

  Good luck!
  
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  Miniimizing 'Punishment' - marrying a non-JW

  by doasthouwilt in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  i’d like to marry my best friend of 30+ years, turned ‘secret’ girlfriend of 1 ½ years who is a jehovah’s witness, born into it, baptized and an active ‘pioneer’.

  our marriage would happen prior to letting any of her jw friends and cohorts know that we are together.

  once married she may simply come forward and ‘admit’ or we may wait until it’s found out – one way or the other, the reason for this marriage is not customary – i am hoping that by doing so she can avoid being ‘marked’ or possibly ‘disfellowshipped’ once our relationship is no longer a secret and due to our already being married at that point, there can be no notion from society elders about her ending the relationship.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you marry before anyone knows of it then there cannot be any suggestion made that she should end the relationship. Marriage (even to an unbeliever) is "sacred". However, she will be "investigated" by two elders to determine if there is cause for a Judicial Meeting over any "sin". Obviously, your fornicating (your word, I believe) is a "sin" in the JW rules (and elsewhere to many). Fornicating "often" without her ever confessing and ceasing her 'wicked way" will most definitely result in her being disfellowshipped. From recent Elders School, a person cannot be deemed repentant "immediately" once they are caught if they carried on the offense for an extended period of time. (Of course King David WAS repentant immediately when Samuel confronted him about Bathsheba.)

  The only way she can avoid being disfellowshipped is by avoiding meeting with the Elders (which would surely result in her losing her pioneer position which she will lose anyway just by marrying an unbeliever), or by meeting with them and DENY DENY DENY any fornicating or unclean conduct and even any overninght sleepover even if there was NO fornicating. (Staying over night alone with a person of the opposite sex is circumstantial evidence of fornication). If she denies anything immoral (or in conflict with JW rules) ever occurred then the Elders cannot take any Judicial action as there are NOT "two witnesses" (or a confession) to wrong doing. You two will have to determine if she can lie her way out of it.

  Note there is a scripture in Psalms which says to confess your sins to Jehovah alone. You might use that to convince her that she does not owe the Elders any explanation about your "sinful" relationship.

  Good luck. You're involved with a person who won't leave their religion but sneaks around and breaks the most ardent rule that the religion has.
  
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  Memorial invite

  by JoenB75 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  now they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.

  it always makes me a bit sad.

  i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Yes the 1935 is Old Light because there was such an increase in partakers that they had to do something, but they also added the caveat that likely any new partakers were insufficiently taught about the 2 classes and were likely still pining away on their Christendom doctrine of going to heaven OR.............they were not mentally right.

  Doesn't the Group of Eight who are all "new partakers" answer that for us?

  
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  7 Letters Requested--Cost Of Living Survey!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  cost of living survey worksheet--(assembly hall servants & construction servants).

  cost of living survey worksheet--missionaries.

  cost of living survey worksheet--special pioneers.

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  DesirousOfChange

  bathe only on Saturday? Yikes! The place will stink to high heaven if they use that method.

  But it goes a long way to make sure everyone is "social distancing".
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  Olin Moyle's letter to Judge Rutherford

  by GabeAthouse in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  olin moyle was an attorney who was invited to bethel headquarters back in the 1930's to assist with legal cases at that time.

  he became disillusioned with the culture at the headquarters and penned the following letter of resignation.

  rutherford replied with an outrageous article in the watchtower provoking moyle to sue.

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  DesirousOfChange

  There is complaint in various places that the Watch Tower studies have degenerated into mere reading lessons.

  What would he say if he saw the absolute JOKE it has now become?
  

  The claim is made, "One can't be a real Bethelite without drinking beer."

  I don't know about now, but it was sure that was in the '70s & '80s when I visited Bethel to visit young guys from our Cong that were there.

  Rutherford was not wrong about everything. Religion IS snare and a racket! (JW's included!)