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  If 1914 gets tossed

  by Leathercrop in

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  it feels like the change in reporting of hours becomes a fundamentally bigger deal every day.

  the weight and importance placed on quantity was enormous, and now it's just gone.

  even tho most witnesses really didn't keep "accurate" records so to speak hehehe.... this could very well be a precursor to even bigger doctrinal changes, like 1914. damn, would would happen then?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  There is no way to explain away the 1914 doctrine 77 week prophecy from 607, other than to admit they got it wrong.

  So, their solution has been to NOT address it. Just like they have never addressed the "fact" that the "creative days" were supposedly 7,000 years each. Science has clearly disproved that crap, so it is simply has never mentioned anywhere in the publications for many years.

  In the same way, they will skip any mention of the erroneous 607-to-1914 calculations (that no one could ever remember anyway) and simply point to HOW TERRIBLE everything is and quote 2 Timothy chap 3 and the "signs" of the Last Days. Noah's time of warning about the coming Flood was 120 years, so they can still casually refer to 1914 for another 10 years. That gives the old guys time to die and not have to deal with a "fix" and it gives the young guys 10 years to pray that "some kind or any kind of" Tribulation hits (like Covid-29) and they can play that up. Or maybe even Armageddon will FINALLY come and bail them out.
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  What's the org like now?

  by Leathercrop in

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  even tho i've been expelled about 4 years now, i truly checked out around 2015. changes in the org i think we're just starting to get going.

  i remember the kingdom songs suddenly getting the taylor swift treatment aka pop music treatment.

  meetings were getting axed or meshed together or something.

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  DesirousOfChange

  In the past few years things have been quite boring in JW Land, with the exception of Tony Morris 3 getting "the boot" (with no kind of official explanation), and the recent adjustments mentioned in the latest Annual Meeting (and only some of them being officially posted on JW-dot-bOrg). The "biggie" made public is no more Field Service report for hours, placements, etc. ONLY a report of whether a publisher is "active" in the past month. (ANY "witnessing" counts.) Other big changers have not made it to the public website yet (so only now known by those in attendance at the AM or by those reading apostate sites).

  By boring, I mean no more "tight pants/bright socks" condemnation talks. No more "burnt hot dogs" comparison to those dying at Armageddon. No more "mentally diseased" references to apostates. No more "small brained" women talks. I think they got so much flack over such things that the lawyers warned them to tone it down!

  The biggest news is the direction to go back to the Hall for meetings (vs Zooming) but only 50% are showing up in person. Of course there have been a lot of Halls sold off in the past 5-10 years (and the Society pockets the money). AND, there are all the CSA (Child Sexual Abuse) lawsuits, investigations, etc all over the world. WTS looks at least as bad as the Catholic Church did when scrutinized.

  As far as you having been expelled -- WT is taking a "softer" stance publicly in print or in court testimony on DF/DA persons, but in reality taking a stronger/more dogmatic stance "in secret" via public talks and "private" instruction to elders. (Of course thanks to all the LEAKS from hidden PIMOs, NOTHING IS SECRET!) Die hard JWs are taking the hardline while many others are bending the rules as they please and NOT shunning their kids/grandkids even if it means doing it secretly so stay off the radar of the elders.

  Remember: The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  How Do Jehovah's Witnesses View Education?

  by southyukon in

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  i have a question about this article.. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-education-school/.

  higher education can lead to moral and spiritual dangers.

  a bible proverb says: "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself.

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  Do not forget that when GB is seeking lawyers or medical personnel, or even musicians for their musical recordings, they are only interested in those that have successfully finished many years of higher education.
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  Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

  he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

  we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  This is a nothing burger.

  During that same time period, school principals/teachers also used corporal punishment (paddling) as did most parents. Things change over time. (Enlightenment?) WT cannot be singled out on the issue. WT has changed their position as has all or most of society.
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  2 Jehovah's Witness Elders give evidence in Court, others did not, will the 2 be punished for giving evidence?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'man guilty of abuse — after silence from church members.

  a jehovah’s witness has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teen over a number of years – after the silence of church members who refused to give evidence.'.

  https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourcecode=aaweb_wre170_a_ggl&dest=https%3a%2f%2fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2ftruecrimeaustralia%2fpolice-courts-sa%2fjehovahs-witness-found-guilty-of-unlawful-sexual-relationship-with-teen-after-silence-from-some-senior-members-who-refused-to-give-evidence%2fnews-story%2f6f8c4cee4023dfc5cb42a9b580213d70&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=groupa-segment-2-noscore.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Since when do you need permission from anyone to arrange a camping trip with friends?

  The issue is if you have "permission" from the Congregation then it is a "church" organized event and the church can be held liable for incidents that occur, ie, injuries, abuse, etc. This is why years ago the KM and WT letters instructed that NO such events were to be organized as a congregation event. No Cong picnics or parties or trips (even to Bethel). Any person organizing any such event was doing it "personally" and was "personally liable".
  
  
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  2 Jehovah's Witness Elders give evidence in Court, others did not, will the 2 be punished for giving evidence?

  by was a new boy in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  'man guilty of abuse — after silence from church members.

  a jehovah’s witness has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teen over a number of years – after the silence of church members who refused to give evidence.'.

  https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourcecode=aaweb_wre170_a_ggl&dest=https%3a%2f%2fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2ftruecrimeaustralia%2fpolice-courts-sa%2fjehovahs-witness-found-guilty-of-unlawful-sexual-relationship-with-teen-after-silence-from-some-senior-members-who-refused-to-give-evidence%2fnews-story%2f6f8c4cee4023dfc5cb42a9b580213d70&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=groupa-segment-2-noscore.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Depends if Watchtower gave them the OK,

  Not a chance in the world that WT gave their blessing on a "congregation camping trip". They know that's a lawsuit waiting to happen even if it only means a youth gets injured by accident.
  
  
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  Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

  he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

  we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Vidiot posted my exact thought!!

  Maybe didn't cross the line as "LYING" (Of course, in a JC they'd have said YOU were lying if you were so evasive.) But he was as slimy as it gets.
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  What are 5 Things You are Grateful for this Thanksgiving 2023 ?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  here in america, we have a tradition to set aside one day to be especially grateful.

  that day is today.

  the psychological benifits of being grateful is well known and promoted by business experts, healthcare professionals, secularists, believers ... you name it.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I'm thankful for the "worldly" friends we have developed since leaving. Sadly, the list is not very long. Perhaps as others have also discovered, making new friends just isn't that easy. It's something one takes for granted as a JW. EVERYONE is your buddy -- as long as you don't step out of the goose step cadence.

  Alas, to all of our former friends we are dead -- or "dangerous" -- or deplorable.
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  anniversary of JFK assassination

  by desbah in

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  2. friends

  this is for all the ex-jw's on that dreadful day..... do you remember where you were when jfk was shot in dallas, tx?

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  DesirousOfChange

  I always thought if there had been come kind of conspiracy, it would have come out eventually. Someone would have leaked it. It's hard to keep anything secret if you don't kill everyone who knows the secret. And it used to be hard to believe that anyone would go that far. More and more it appears there was some kind of conspiracy. Unfortunately, with most anyone personally involved already dead, I'm sure we will find out what "they" want us to know. Would not surprise me to see it blamed on Jimmy Hoffa. <jk>
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

  by Simon in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Loser is the best description right now. Dude is 45 trying to attract a 25 year old and failing hard.

  Midlife crisis?

  Maybe he should buy a sporty convertible!