DesirousOfChange

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  What you think consequences gonna be for watchtower if they lose the court appeal in Norway?

  by Hellothere in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  personally i think they gonna realise god's not backing org.

  that idea gonna get even more established in their minds.

  i think the real selling of kingdom hall gonna start then.

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  If they lose I think they will seriously consider what action they need to take to "get their ducks in a row" and requality EVEN IF it means some New Light on shunning.

  They found New Light on blood transfusions when Bulgaria refused legal recognition of the religion due to their policy of DFing if one accepted transfusion. Today, if anyone accepts a BT all they need do is profess "weakness" and repentance and they will not be DFd. But failure to do so results in "disassociation" by their actions.

  Yes, it's word play, but WT will play the game.
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  Is a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses marries a disfellowshipped person, what is the outcome?

  by EdenOne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hello all.. i need a quick answer, and also a solid reference in the literature, please.. if a jw marries an unbeliever, there is reproof, it's frowned upon, it's disloyal, there will be loss of privileges, etc, but there's no other more serious consequences.

  but, in a scenario where two people are free to marry, but one is a baptized jw and the other is disfellowshipped / disassociated, what are the consequences?.

  thanks for your help.. r..

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  Like you'd be DFd also. After all, just "eating with such" a person merits DFing if you are unrepentant.

  YMMV because it really all falls in the hands of 3 elders. If you and your family are well liked, well off, etc are the things that greatly influence their decision.
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  Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

  january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

  studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

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  I heard they kiboshed these types of gatherings some years ago. I wonder if they might rethink that.

  Never under the umbrella of being a "Congregation Event". Too much liability. Game parties are common here, but they are private events of the hosts who must obviously must assume the liability and who control who is invited and it's never the full congregation nor an open invitation. No booze. No minors without their parents.
  
  
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  The Reasoning Book

  by Magnum in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the book reasoning from the scriptures was released in the 1980's, and it was used at virtually every meeting for service, every service meeting, and every theocratic ministry school meeting thereafter.

  many jws had copies bound together with their bibles.

  it was huge in jw land back then.. at that time, with the reasoning book, jws were trained to keep conversations going in spite of objections, to almost stick their feet in people's doors to keep conversations going, to defend "the truth," to argue doctrine, etc.. compare the situation today with that of the 80's.

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  The Reasoning Book had a section to address "False Prophets".

  Interestingly, it did not mention Deut 18:18-22.

  I wonder why.
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  Patterson New Visitor Centre & Museum Announced

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.jwupdates.com/post/new-patterson-visitor-center-and-first-century-museum.

  january 1, 2024, marked the official opening of the patterson visitor center, located at the watchtower educational center in patterson, new york, u.s.a. the feature museum of the visitors’ center is entitled “first-century bible village.” brother isaiah miller, who works in the museum department at bethel, said: “the bible village was designed to provide everyone with a realistic and educational experience.

  studies show that interactive learning has a powerful effect on people of all ages.” after her tour, one visitor exclaimed: “this museum made me feel like i had been transported back to the land of ancient israel.

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  The Reason Behind Recent Watchtower Changes

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  eric wilson's video is worth a view.. https://youtu.be/iil4fryuczk?si=f566n0tdqgpqc2ok.

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  Just WOW!

  I usually don't take the time to listen to somewhat lengthy videos like this (22 min), but some of the comments gave me the motivation to do so and this one was definitely worth it. I had some personal ideas about what motived the beard change and the hour reporting change, but had no idea about the issues presented in this video. It's more than just believable. It makes complete sense. Follow the money!
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  Depression & Isolation

  by TxNVSue2023 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been recently reinstated & am very happy about it.

  i do love righteous (love & justice) and i do hate wickedness ( selfishness & sin).

  i do love jehovah and the bible truths & wisdom.

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  As long as you can’t be accused of causing division in the congregation then you can openly express doubts about the governing body.

  That is not the case everywhere.
  
  
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  Stop the Electric car solar power brainwashing Lies!!

  by Witness 007 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ford e.v cars lost the company 1.3 billion in three months!

  i put 18 solar panels on my house but only get a small rebate $50 a quarter.

  bill is $400.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you are forced into having electric powered everything, the government can force you into compliance on everything by shutting off your supply until you comply.
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  Waiting On Jehovah First Mentioned?

  by Ron.W. in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  yes, waiting on jehovah for him to handle a problem/ doctrine etc.. when did the jw's first start saying that?

  they've been saying it as long as i can remember.. what scriptures do they trot out to back that teaching up?

  ?.

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  JW-God's channel of communication

  by enoughisenough in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the faithful slave is considered god's channel of communication.

  ( though not inspired of god ) does anyone else find the use of the word channel interesting in this regard?

  from where i am sitting it denotes spiritism.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Perhaps WT should consider an upgrade to digital or even cable. Their current channel is never very clear.