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  Mass formation control and the Organization

  by truthseeker in

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  mass formation control.

  most of the changes in the organization have been doctrinal and as a rule jws would not openly discuss these for fear of being labeled an apostate.

  examples include overlapping generations and types and antitypes.

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  The in-house crew more-or-less works for free. The outsourced one? Who the fuck knows?

  In the past I know WT has provided a private residence for an attorney and his family who relocated while he volunteered his time at Patterson.

  I also know of local JW attorneys (those who must had disobeyed counsel about higher education) have assisted in insignificant local cases and likely did so free of charge.

  The private (non-JW) attorneys that are hired for cases that risk huge settlements/judgements are likely paid hourly, just like anyone else pays them. Perhaps they get a discount for their "charitable" status, or even pro bono work, but I suspect they "lawyer up" and just pay the price for attorneys who specialize in issues like CSA.
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  2024--Become a Circuit Overseer in Your Mid-to-Late 20's!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  become a circuit overseer in your mid to late 20's.

  you would have had to qualify as an elder previously.

  this would mean the male would have had to have been an elder in his early 20's.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I would bet a lot of these fast-tracked young men will fall away (their beliefs will be too weak and untested or they will just change their mind and be drawn to other things - and people - outside) or they will burn out due to lacking the maturity to pace themselves and balance their lives.

  Very good possibility. Just as you discover once you are an elder, all the shit that is shielded from the R&F and even most MS, is what you must deal with. Likewise, COs are drug into and must deal with all the major shit shows in all the Congs in their circuit.
  
  
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  No need for Judicial Committees now!

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for jw's who sin, just listen, obey, & be blessed by the current "slave's" direction from a few years ago.. after all, they do speak for jehovah & christ, don't they?

  no need to to confess anything to elders.. w00 6/15 pp.

  16-17 pars.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Psalm 3:5 -- Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the LORD.” And you forgave the guilt of my sin.

  Confessing one's sins/transgressions to God gains one His forgiveness. Further, confessing only to God does not constitute a "cover up" of those sins.

  Confessing to elders is not about being forgiven. It is about being punished by their manmade rules.
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  Mass formation control and the Organization

  by truthseeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  mass formation control.

  most of the changes in the organization have been doctrinal and as a rule jws would not openly discuss these for fear of being labeled an apostate.

  examples include overlapping generations and types and antitypes.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I agree that they know what they are doing but there is nothing sophisticated in their strategy.

  Strategy? There is no long-term, pro-active strategy. Other than simply to survive, their "strategy" is merely their responses/reactions they must make to avoid financial problems with various governmental authorities around the globe.

  Every one of the recent changes is a direct response to a government inquiry, or adverse decision of a court, or taxing authority, or even a civil lawsuit, etc

  There strategy is best described as Wack-A-Mole.

  
  
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  Reddit thread re Oct 2024 WT with picture of window washer - Theme knocking people who Planned

  by LongHairGal in

  1. jw
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  this thread currently has over 300 comments.. it shows a picture of an older man washing a window looking wistfully… then it talks all about how some may have doubts about not having planned and the situation they are in now that they are older, etc.

  it refers to others who did plan and who supposedly have ‘apparent’ financial security.

  in my opinion, the whole gist of this article is to make older witnesses feel better who did not pursue a career or plan well for retirement.. it tries to imply that those others who planned only have ‘apparent’ financial security - which is to say they don’t (?).

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  DesirousOfChange

  This kind of bullshit just enrages me!

  They are greedy, heartless bastards! They accept no responsibility for the hardship and suffering they cause. They take, take, take and offer NOTHING in return. Then they demonize anyone who was wise enough to ignore their bullshit and make decisions and take the course or action that created a better life for themselves and their family.

  Yet, the WT Heavies (COs, Bethel Bigshots) LOVE the JWs that have attained the financial means to flower them with gifts and wine & dine them. Yes, they deserve the expensive "nard" that Jesus received (worth one year's wages).

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  2024--Become a Circuit Overseer in Your Mid-to-Late 20's!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  become a circuit overseer in your mid to late 20's.

  you would have had to qualify as an elder previously.

  this would mean the male would have had to have been an elder in his early 20's.

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  DesirousOfChange

  And hes telling you how to live your retirement?? -- Beth Sarim

  Beth, you got that wrong!

  No need to worry about retirement when Armageddon is right around the corner!

  
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  Are You Confident With Covid Vaccines and What Officials Say Is The Right Thing To Do?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  most of my friends have gotten the vaccines and are quite confident that it’s just what the doctor ordered.

  i’m not confident with dr. fauci.

  i don’t like the fact that the makers of the vaccines are not held responsible if someone taking the vac develops an illness or even death.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I don't think the general population will ever buy into a mandatory vaccination program again. The majority do not trust the government any longer. They certainly do not trust the news networks.
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  Apostates are still public enemy number one - WATCHTOWER August 2024

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/rqyqibpnuos?si=zayoa2c-zvmj9_br.

  under the theme "help for those who are removed from the congregation" study article 35 in august 2024 wafchtower that deals with the many changes the organization introduced recenly we specifically look into paragraphs 14 and 15 that deal with the way that we now treat disfellowshipped ones, or more accurately removed ones , since this is the new term.

  and see how they still try to micromanage their members down to the finest detail and how still apostates and more accurately active apostates are public enemy number one.

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  DesirousOfChange

  What I think has changed is their definition (not in words, but in action) of who/what is an "apostate". I think the term has broadened out considerably. It's not just the kooky DF JW who stands outside convention venues wearing sandwich boards defaming the bOrg.

  It can now be applied to anyone who chose to go "inactive" (insert FADE here) and makes no effort to return but continues on happily in life -- no depression card, no financial or personal difficulties causing discouragement -- but just goes on in life smiling and living life to the fullest. Such a person has no REASON to be inactive but CHOICE. Why would anyone CHOOSE to be inactive? APOSTATE!

  The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!
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  2024--Become a Circuit Overseer in Your Mid-to-Late 20's!

  by Atlantis in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  become a circuit overseer in your mid to late 20's.

  you would have had to qualify as an elder previously.

  this would mean the male would have had to have been an elder in his early 20's.

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  DesirousOfChange

  BECOME A CO -- WHAT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT ON YOUR OWN!

  Most 20-somethings are still living in their parent's home.
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  Members of congregation know it’s not true

  by Mikejw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

  i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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  DesirousOfChange

  they said “ it is better to be wrong & inside the Truth than to be “right outside “ it ….

  I recall a brother -- not sure if he was an elder at the time but he was eventually until he resigned and only would agree to be a MS -- who commented that even if it was found to be all wrong it was still the best way of life for him, as he would likely be dead if he had continued on in his former lifestyle.

  I do think that is possibly all true. He had been quite the carouser and shit disturber as a young guy. But he was now a wife & father and a sincere guy. IDK why he decided he no longer wanted to be an elder, however serving as a MS was OK. Perhaps it was the "judging" others thing. Or, maybe he actually came to know that it "is all wrong" but he wanted to stay with the Blue Pill.