DesirousOfChange

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  God won't lift a finger to help you.

  by nicolaou in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  sea breeze: @nicolau,i stated my case rather succiently, which you failed to address.

  if you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what jesus offers, then why don't you present that in a new topic?.

  pathetic diversion.

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  DesirousOfChange

  We were discussing Gods refusal or inability to come to the aid of people with specific illnesses or those in imminent danger.-- Sea Breeze

  Once again we have:

  

  As I stated in the original string of posts that was hijacked,

  I would love to see EVIDENCE.

  At one time (as a devout JW) I truly believed in God answering prayers. I was many times convinced of my own prayers being answered (getting the result that I wanted).

  If you have enough confidence then do as Elijah did (1 Kings 18). Slaughter a bull and place it on an altar and wait for [your] God to consume it with fire (without you striking the match). Are you convinced you would get the same result as did Elijah? Or, would your God leave you standing as Baal did to his worshippers?

  PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
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  How would you rate the Watchtower approved songs?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was asking why jws won't sing any church hymns even if they were doctrinally correct.

  jws asked me in response if i would sing any of their songs.. dan watkins wrote .

  its a hilarious misunderstanding, if it does not come from the watchtower bible and tract society, then it is effectively considered as coming from satan.

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  The new songs are like those from a bad Disney movie (that would be any recent Disney movie).
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  EXPLOSIVE NEW LEAKED VIDEO OF C.O. CHASTISING ELDERS

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/np05twylal8?si=wjcdevvpxmlwxb2p.

  shame is an ancient form of control.

  shame is the mechanism used to control behaviour.

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  DesirousOfChange

  If you have a better solution to the problem of evil than what Jesus offers, then why don't YOU present that in a new topic? - Sea Breeze

  I kinda thought Nic offered the same solution to the problem of evil as does Jesus:

  
  

  I would love to see EVIDENCE that proves otherwise.

  Answers to our prayers: Yes -- No -- Maybe
  
  
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  I just heard.......

  by BoogerMan in

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  .........that little miss muffet sat on her tuffet eating only curds!.

  no way!

  !.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Somebody is bored.

  
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  Members of congregation know it’s not true

  by Mikejw in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  we have lonely old folks and even some not so old.. they know the gb are not who they claim to be.. but they stay in the congregation because they are lonely.

  i wonder what percentage of jws this is the case, i would guess a lot.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Revisiting this post and catching up on the comments.

  I think all the older ones begin to have doubts as they come to see they will not be among "millions now living [who] will never die". They realize all the dates that were promised to them have failed and they too, will die. Younger ones who are still blinded my still believe it will come.....eventually. Older ones who claim they still believe all that nonsense are just not telling the truth. Or they are delusional (still).
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  Will there ever be any new GB members?

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last two seem very young.. will there be any further new gb members or will they all die off?.

  i still remember when tony morris and a few other joined many were disappointed thinking the current crop would be the last.

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  Look at the age of a few of them. Thinking of Sam Herd. He has to be approaching 80 (if not already 80). Seems he was already slipping a bit mentally. His health is not good. Of course, they don't have to replace anyone who dies as there is no specific number required. But the fact is, they will all continue to age and eventually become infirm or even die. So yes, they'll have to be replacements. . . . .

  . . . . unless, of course, Armageddon really is right around the corner!
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  Setting the record straight. CSA report in New Zealand

  by joe134cd in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  ok i just want to officially set the record straight about the report of csa in new zealand.

  i have a pimo relative who lives in nz.

  as far as public awareness, with regard to the jws, it was basically a big nothing burger.

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  Once again, JWs are not even newsworthy. No one cares.

  
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  Thanking Jehovah God for Sports

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  serena william's thanks jehovah god for allowing her to participate in sports.

  how nice.

  my jw parents followed the rules and thought they were doing jehovahs will by denying me participation in sports.

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  Serena William's thanks Jehovah God for allowing her to participate in sports.

  I find THIS -- or, in fact, any sports player who thanks God for their victory -- to be the most presumptuous claim to make in public!

  Are the really suggesting that God found the time and considered their personal sports victory SO important that He was too damn busy to answer the prayer of a child being raped? Or, a family being slaughtered by thieves? Or, a mother praying for remission of the cancer that is slowly eating away and killing her child?
  

  Those people are egomaniacs and think WAY TOO MUCH of themselves. I hate to break it to them, but God doesn't give a pfuck about them or their goal/accomplishment.
  
  
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  New lawsuit against the Watchtower in Ontario, Canada

  by yalbmert99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  the new class action lawsuit against the watchtower for having covered up child sexual abuse will begin in court on may 13-14-15, 2024 in the province of ontario, canada.

  it is not the same as in the province of quebec because the laws aren't the same.

  i don’t have more details.

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  IMO the WTS/GB is counting on the fact that as enough time passes they will "get past" all the CSA liability.

  They have restructured (reworded) policy so that the bOrg has no liability in caring for the JW children in their care (or NOT in their care, which is what they claim). They believe they have taken the appropriate LEGAL steps to CYA. So, bottom line, if they can just live through the old CSA lawsuits -- deny, deny, deny, drag them out, fight for every dollar as though it's their final dollar, exhaust the plaintiff's attorney (who can't get paid until there is a settlement or judgement), and . . . . finally negotiate the lowest settlement possible (so the plaintiff & their attorneys FINALLY get some cash) AND insist on a NDA. NEVER will this shit be made public! Transparency is NOT allowed.
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  Will Governing Body follow through with New Zealand Royal Commission's recommendation to publicly apologize?

  by was a new boy in

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  2. child-abuse

  'following on from an apology from the prime minister, the commission recommends all faith-based leaders offer a public apology, including the pope, the archbishop of canterbury, the president elect of the methodist church, the moderator of the presbyterian church in new zealand and the head of each individual presbyterian support organisation, the general of the salvation army, the overseeing shepherd of gloriavale, and the governing body of jehovah’s witnesses.'.

  https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/govt-takes-blame-will-apologise-to-children-abused-and-tortured-in-state-care/ar-bb1qwoyt?ocid=bingnewsverp.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I found it interesting when I went to this link what the WTS said about 1975 in 1975, then 1976, then 1980. Quotes provided, not needed to link to Watchtower Online Library. https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1975.php
  Go down to this heading:
  Post 1975 Print Edition Changes -- Blondie

  Thanks for posting that again Blondie!

  One cannot begin to estimate the countless hours Paul gave to the compilation of WT material. While likely nothing would change the deeply entrenched thinking of a diehard PIMI cult member, there can be no greater source of information for any JW who is facing the personal crisis of discovering TTATT and researching in earnest for the "real" truth. JWFacts is the ultimate "Red Pill".