Posts by DesirousOfChange

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Half hearted JWs compared to past generations

by JohnR1975 in

is it just me or has there been a massive change in jws of late?.

when i grew up in the cult they had a real sense of urgency and would do an hour minimum, these days it’s not even ten mins before coffee break.. same goes for everything else, it’s half hearted .

DesirousOfChange

Even twenty years ago most JWs were just going through the motions, but I suppose it could be even worse now. I can't personally speak on that as I'm not there and I don't care.

This is obvious if you look at what JWS DO vs what they SAY. There is no urgency. They clearly do not believe they have a "life saving message" nor is there any urgency about getting that message out. Their religion is a social group. No different than if they were attending the Kiwanis Club or were a member of the Shriners.

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Do you recognize this?

by Gorb in

jw
friends

thinking sometimes about my youth days and the stories my grandfather told me about our jw congregation.

do you recognize that your congregation was full of somehowe strange folks, very low educated, poor and simple?.

the po was an elder with some distance, with some personality acting intelligent and following the rules strict.. there was always a kind of scandal.

DesirousOfChange

Being intelligent and/or gifted doesn't prevent one from getting caught up in a Cult, but I do suspect it is more difficult today in the "age of the internet" where most cults, like JWs, have been exposed and criticism is widely available.

I think it was those (that I perceived) intelligent and gifted JWs that kept me in the religion longer than I otherwise would have been involved. There were several brothers that I really admired. They were educated (so I suppose I figured they should KNOW it better than I -- esp the brother that had been an ancient history major).

Today, I don't think there are many "educated" that remain, though some are "intelligent", but still caught up in the cult and drinking the Koolaid.

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Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

by Vanderhoven7 in

to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

DesirousOfChange

Fiction anyone?

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A Jehovah's Witness family's excellent Letter of Resignation trending on exjw Reddit today

by Balaamsass2 in

i got an email notice today on this excellent letter of resignation from a german family that is trending on reddit.

i thought i would share it here if anyone is so inclined to write one.

for those with pimi jw family and jw business connections, it may not be wise to share such a letter, but i imagine it must be very freeing to send such a letter.

DesirousOfChange

Doubtful anyone of authority (ie at the Branch) even gets through it.

They will all have the same reaction:

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The fading of a well known American religion. Could this happen someday to Jehovah's Witnesses?

by Balaamsass2 in

new york times 9/5/24.

" there are only two shakers left.

they've still got utopia in their sites.. "by jordan kisner.

DesirousOfChange

The new light will be that we just don’t know.

They might try to sell that as NEW LIGHT, but it is obvious that they have NEVER KNOWN. Ain't nothing new about that!

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Watchtowers billion$

by lastmanstanding in

serena williams was baptised as a jehovah's witness last year.

photo: pa. .

john mulligan.

DesirousOfChange

An HOUR and ELEVEN MINUTES?

Someone really has a high opinion of what they have to say.

Bet it could be summed up in just the 11 minutes!

I quit wasting my time at the Kingdumb Hall (years that I will never get back) and I don't need to fill it with someone else's ramblings.

BTW -- I doubted the OP until I found time to look at all the backup here.

WTF said WT is going broke?

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Jehovah's Witnesses in the news again. Wise use of publisher's donations? New Zealand News

by Balaamsass2 in

do jws feel this is a wise use of their donations?

does this bring honor to jehovah's name?.

9/1/24 :"new zealand abuse in care.

DesirousOfChange

Seems to me they need to become more familiar with the Streisand Effect. No one would give a shit about it all if they were one of many religious groups investigated, but instead they throw up red flags and everyone takes notice that they are the ONE group protesting. Ya gotta wonder why!

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Why did God stop intervening in human affairs and deliverance of his people?

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the bible is full of stories of god intervening on behalf of those that had trust and faith in him.

he rescues his people from various battles, trials and challenges from their enemies.

the rescued individuals or communities are quick to offer praise and gratitude to god for his mighty acts on their behalf.. the story of the israelites’ exodus from egypt and the parting of the red sea is a prime example of god’s powerful deliverance in the bible.

DesirousOfChange

Jehovah still intervenes in human affairs. He's just been more subtle.

So subtle that no one knows it.

When Jesus returns, the 'miracles' will start again.

Don't hold your breath.

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Warwick sits on $70 billion?

by LaFrancia in

70,000 real estate properties at an average value of $100,000 and perhaps we can say (no one knows for sure) that warwick sits on $70 billion in real estate value.

in the video (deleted by jwborg but available on the avoid.jw website) of the 2018-19 coordinators' committee report (english) shown to all congregations at the mid-week meeting, we find several curious and interesting indications:.

- at minute 6.52 seconds you see some data .

DesirousOfChange

I think WTC is doing everything they can to make KHs a reliable revenue stream - but it is still not enough. More are fading and the only "new" ones coming in are born-ins. Eventually they leave also.

My experience as Acct Servant was that the bulk of the contributions came from 10-15% of the members. Typically older retired publishers (mostly women) who had a nice retirement and who had accumulated a nice nest egg. I recall one elderly sister who every month would write a $100 check for each contribution box. Local. WWW. KH Building. . . . and any special fund that was added, ie, bringing missionaries home for conventions. She was a little ditzy and I suspect her non-witness family members either didn't know or were not very happy with her spending their inheritance like that. IDK that she was "rich", but certainly had lots of land in an area that was growing and building, and although was obviously "frugal" in her spending on herself (clothing, cars, etc) she was happy to shell it out to ~~Jehover~~ the WT Corporation.

Other significant donations were from successful members who were successful in business. Likely a good IRS write-off and made them look good (to those in the know) and feel good about themselves. The same ones who always wined & dined the CO/DO/Bethel heavies.

Those older ones were a major source of income for WT and they are dying off.

4,900+ Broken Piggy Bank Stock Photos, Pictures & Royalty ...

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2025 Convention Theme leak

by ukpimo in

according to the next boe letter to be read at next week's midweek meetings in the united states,.

the theme of the convention for next year is.

pure worship.

DesirousOfChange

1951
return to the past?
Same theme as 53 years ago

My first thought was that they won't even have to work up new talk outlines, just "cut 'n paste" like they do WT articles. But that's all wrong because the religion is nothing close to the religion that it was in 1951! EVEN THEIR BIBLE HAS CHANGED!