Posts by DesirousOfChange

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What's the org like now?

by Leathercrop in

even tho i've been expelled about 4 years now, i truly checked out around 2015. changes in the org i think we're just starting to get going.

i remember the kingdom songs suddenly getting the taylor swift treatment aka pop music treatment.

meetings were getting axed or meshed together or something.

In the past few years things have been quite boring in JW Land, with the exception of Tony Morris 3 getting "the boot" (with no kind of official explanation), and the recent adjustments mentioned in the latest Annual Meeting (and only some of them being officially posted on JW-dot-bOrg). The "biggie" made public is no more Field Service report for hours, placements, etc. ONLY a report of whether a publisher is "active" in the past month. (ANY "witnessing" counts.) Other big changers have not made it to the public website yet (so only now known by those in attendance at the AM or by those reading apostate sites).

By boring, I mean no more "tight pants/bright socks" condemnation talks. No more "burnt hot dogs" comparison to those dying at Armageddon. No more "mentally diseased" references to apostates. No more "small brained" women talks. I think they got so much flack over such things that the lawyers warned them to tone it down!

The biggest news is the direction to go back to the Hall for meetings (vs Zooming) but only 50% are showing up in person. Of course there have been a lot of Halls sold off in the past 5-10 years (and the Society pockets the money). AND, there are all the CSA (Child Sexual Abuse) lawsuits, investigations, etc all over the world. WTS looks at least as bad as the Catholic Church did when scrutinized.

As far as you having been expelled -- WT is taking a "softer" stance publicly in print or in court testimony on DF/DA persons, but in reality taking a stronger/more dogmatic stance "in secret" via public talks and "private" instruction to elders. (Of course thanks to all the LEAKS from hidden PIMOs, NOTHING IS SECRET!) Die hard JWs are taking the hardline while many others are bending the rules as they please and NOT shunning their kids/grandkids even if it means doing it secretly so stay off the radar of the elders.

Remember: The greatest revenge is living a happy & successful life!

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How Do Jehovah's Witnesses View Education?

by southyukon in

i have a question about this article.. https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/jw-education-school/.

higher education can lead to moral and spiritual dangers.

a bible proverb says: "the shrewd one sees the danger and conceals himself.

DesirousOfChange

Do not forget that when GB is seeking lawyers or medical personnel, or even musicians for their musical recordings, they are only interested in those that have successfully finished many years of higher education.

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Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

DesirousOfChange

This is a nothing burger.

During that same time period, school principals/teachers also used corporal punishment (paddling) as did most parents. Things change over time. (Enlightenment?) WT cannot be singled out on the issue. WT has changed their position as has all or most of society.

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2 Jehovah's Witness Elders give evidence in Court, others did not, will the 2 be punished for giving evidence?

by was a new boy in

'man guilty of abuse — after silence from church members.

a jehovah’s witness has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teen over a number of years – after the silence of church members who refused to give evidence.'.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourcecode=aaweb_wre170_a_ggl&dest=https%3a%2f%2fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2ftruecrimeaustralia%2fpolice-courts-sa%2fjehovahs-witness-found-guilty-of-unlawful-sexual-relationship-with-teen-after-silence-from-some-senior-members-who-refused-to-give-evidence%2fnews-story%2f6f8c4cee4023dfc5cb42a9b580213d70&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=groupa-segment-2-noscore.

DesirousOfChange

Since when do you need permission from anyone to arrange a camping trip with friends?

The issue is if you have "permission" from the Congregation then it is a "church" organized event and the church can be held liable for incidents that occur, ie, injuries, abuse, etc. This is why years ago the KM and WT letters instructed that NO such events were to be organized as a congregation event. No Cong picnics or parties or trips (even to Bethel). Any person organizing any such event was doing it "personally" and was "personally liable".

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2 Jehovah's Witness Elders give evidence in Court, others did not, will the 2 be punished for giving evidence?

by was a new boy in

'man guilty of abuse — after silence from church members.

a jehovah’s witness has been found guilty of sexually abusing a teen over a number of years – after the silence of church members who refused to give evidence.'.

https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourcecode=aaweb_wre170_a_ggl&dest=https%3a%2f%2fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2ftruecrimeaustralia%2fpolice-courts-sa%2fjehovahs-witness-found-guilty-of-unlawful-sexual-relationship-with-teen-after-silence-from-some-senior-members-who-refused-to-give-evidence%2fnews-story%2f6f8c4cee4023dfc5cb42a9b580213d70&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium&v21=groupa-segment-2-noscore.

DesirousOfChange

Depends if Watchtower gave them the OK,

Not a chance in the world that WT gave their blessing on a "congregation camping trip". They know that's a lawsuit waiting to happen even if it only means a youth gets injured by accident.

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Did Geoffrey Jackson lie under oath at the ARC?

by Vanderhoven7 in

i understand he intimated that the faithful slave was not the only spokesman for jehovah god.

he also intimated that corporal punishment was not advocated by the wts.

we're these lies or deception or did they represent the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?.

DesirousOfChange

Vidiot posted my exact thought!!

Maybe didn't cross the line as "LYING" (Of course, in a JC they'd have said YOU were lying if you were so evasive.) But he was as slimy as it gets.

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What are 5 Things You are Grateful for this Thanksgiving 2023 ?

by Sea Breeze in

jw
friends

here in america, we have a tradition to set aside one day to be especially grateful.

that day is today.

the psychological benifits of being grateful is well known and promoted by business experts, healthcare professionals, secularists, believers ... you name it.

DesirousOfChange

I'm thankful for the "worldly" friends we have developed since leaving. Sadly, the list is not very long. Perhaps as others have also discovered, making new friends just isn't that easy. It's something one takes for granted as a JW. EVERYONE is your buddy -- as long as you don't step out of the goose step cadence.

Alas, to all of our former friends we are dead -- or "dangerous" -- or deplorable.

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anniversary of JFK assassination

by desbah in

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friends

this is for all the ex-jw's on that dreadful day..... do you remember where you were when jfk was shot in dallas, tx?

DesirousOfChange

I always thought if there had been come kind of conspiracy, it would have come out eventually. Someone would have leaked it. It's hard to keep anything secret if you don't kill everyone who knows the secret. And it used to be hard to believe that anyone would go that far. More and more it appears there was some kind of conspiracy. Unfortunately, with most anyone personally involved already dead, I'm sure we will find out what "they" want us to know. Would not surprise me to see it blamed on Jimmy Hoffa. <jk>

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

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friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

DesirousOfChange

Loser is the best description right now. Dude is 45 trying to attract a 25 year old and failing hard.

Midlife crisis?

Maybe he should buy a sporty convertible!

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The Blood Policy

by NotFormer in

a couple of decades ago, any question of the wt dropping or changing the blood policy was met with something along the lines of "they're in too deep, they've killed too many people, the lawsuits would kill them; they can't change it".

a somewhat warped version of the "sunk costs fallacy".. they're already in very deep with the other rod for their own back, the csa payouts.

and some small changes have occurred in the way they handle csa cases.

DesirousOfChange

They already have revised their policy so that there will be no action against a JW that accepts blood as long as they are "repentant". Easy enough for any JW that wants to stay "in" to just say, "I'm sorry. I caved in. Forgive me!"