DesirousOfChange

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  Do you recognize this?

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  thinking sometimes about my youth days and the stories my grandfather told me about our jw congregation.

  do you recognize that your congregation was full of somehowe strange folks, very low educated, poor and simple?.

  the po was an elder with some distance, with some personality acting intelligent and following the rules strict.. there was always a kind of scandal.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Being intelligent and/or gifted doesn't prevent one from getting caught up in a Cult, but I do suspect it is more difficult today in the "age of the internet" where most cults, like JWs, have been exposed and criticism is widely available.

  I think it was those (that I perceived) intelligent and gifted JWs that kept me in the religion longer than I otherwise would have been involved. There were several brothers that I really admired. They were educated (so I suppose I figured they should KNOW it better than I -- esp the brother that had been an ancient history major).

  Today, I don't think there are many "educated" that remain, though some are "intelligent", but still caught up in the cult and drinking the Koolaid.
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  Is Watchtower totally off base on Armageddon?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to me it is quite evident that the gt spoken about in matthew 24, mark 13 and luke 21 is a one time, non-repeatable localized event resulting in the destruction of jerusalem and the temple followed by the dispersion of surviving jews throughout the nations.. however, what is not so clear to most is that the gt of revelation deals with the same event.

  my understanding is that the gb of jehovah witnesses has no clue as to how to interpret the apocalyptic messages found both in the synoptics and revelation.

  but steve greg has armageddon down pat.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Fiction anyone?
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  A Jehovah's Witness family's excellent Letter of Resignation trending on exjw Reddit today

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i got an email notice today on this excellent letter of resignation from a german family that is trending on reddit.

  i thought i would share it here if anyone is so inclined to write one.

  for those with pimi jw family and jw business connections, it may not be wise to share such a letter, but i imagine it must be very freeing to send such a letter.

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  DesirousOfChange

  Doubtful anyone of authority (ie at the Branch) even gets through it.

  They will all have the same reaction:

  
  
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  The fading of a well known American religion. Could this happen someday to Jehovah's Witnesses?

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  new york times 9/5/24.

  " there are only two shakers left.

  they've still got utopia in their sites.. "by jordan kisner.

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  DesirousOfChange

  The new light will be that we just don’t know.

  They might try to sell that as NEW LIGHT, but it is obvious that they have NEVER KNOWN. Ain't nothing new about that!

  
  
  
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  Watchtowers billion$

  by lastmanstanding in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  serena williams was baptised as a jehovah's witness last year.

  photo: pa. .

  john mulligan.

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  DesirousOfChange

  An HOUR and ELEVEN MINUTES?

  Someone really has a high opinion of what they have to say.

  Bet it could be summed up in just the 11 minutes!

  I quit wasting my time at the Kingdumb Hall (years that I will never get back) and I don't need to fill it with someone else's ramblings.

  BTW -- I doubted the OP until I found time to look at all the backup here.

  WTF said WT is going broke?
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  Jehovah's Witnesses in the news again. Wise use of publisher's donations? New Zealand News

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  do jws feel this is a wise use of their donations?

  does this bring honor to jehovah's name?.

  9/1/24 :"new zealand abuse in care.

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  Seems to me they need to become more familiar with the Streisand Effect. No one would give a shit about it all if they were one of many religious groups investigated, but instead they throw up red flags and everyone takes notice that they are the ONE group protesting. Ya gotta wonder why!
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  Why did God stop intervening in human affairs and deliverance of his people?

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the bible is full of stories of god intervening on behalf of those that had trust and faith in him.

  he rescues his people from various battles, trials and challenges from their enemies.

  the rescued individuals or communities are quick to offer praise and gratitude to god for his mighty acts on their behalf.. the story of the israelites’ exodus from egypt and the parting of the red sea is a prime example of god’s powerful deliverance in the bible.

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  Jehovah still intervenes in human affairs. He's just been more subtle.

  So subtle that no one knows it.

  When Jesus returns, the 'miracles' will start again.

  Don't hold your breath.

  
  

  
  
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  Warwick sits on $70 billion?

  by LaFrancia in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  70,000 real estate properties at an average value of $100,000 and perhaps we can say (no one knows for sure) that warwick sits on $70 billion in real estate value.

  in the video (deleted by jwborg but available on the avoid.jw website) of the 2018-19 coordinators' committee report (english) shown to all congregations at the mid-week meeting, we find several curious and interesting indications:.

  - at minute 6.52 seconds you see some data .

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  I think WTC is doing everything they can to make KHs a reliable revenue stream - but it is still not enough. More are fading and the only "new" ones coming in are born-ins. Eventually they leave also.

  My experience as Acct Servant was that the bulk of the contributions came from 10-15% of the members. Typically older retired publishers (mostly women) who had a nice retirement and who had accumulated a nice nest egg. I recall one elderly sister who every month would write a $100 check for each contribution box. Local. WWW. KH Building. . . . and any special fund that was added, ie, bringing missionaries home for conventions. She was a little ditzy and I suspect her non-witness family members either didn't know or were not very happy with her spending their inheritance like that. IDK that she was "rich", but certainly had lots of land in an area that was growing and building, and although was obviously "frugal" in her spending on herself (clothing, cars, etc) she was happy to shell it out to Jehover the WT Corporation.

  Other significant donations were from successful members who were successful in business. Likely a good IRS write-off and made them look good (to those in the know) and feel good about themselves. The same ones who always wined & dined the CO/DO/Bethel heavies.

  Those older ones were a major source of income for WT and they are dying off.

  
  
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  2025 Convention Theme leak

  by ukpimo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the next boe letter to be read at next week's midweek meetings in the united states,.

  the theme of the convention for next year is.

  pure worship.

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  DesirousOfChange

  1951
  return to the past?
  Same theme as 53 years ago

  My first thought was that they won't even have to work up new talk outlines, just "cut 'n paste" like they do WT articles. But that's all wrong because the religion is nothing close to the religion that it was in 1951! EVEN THEIR BIBLE HAS CHANGED!
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  Pomo because of Proclaimers book, 1995 generation change and Daniel prophecy book

  by Gorb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have some time thinking about my recent and less recent personal history because of the summer holiday.. the 90's crossed my mind.

  the years i became pimo.

  a friend, a room mate during the 1993 moscow international convention, went to university.

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  DesirousOfChange

  I have found that many jws are not so obedient to the WTS and hide it from others, even elders. They feel if they don't get caught by men, nothing will happen to them.

  That is certainly very common. I think it is why WT had to "allow" minor gambling (LOTS of JWs were buying Lotto tix) and going to the casino boats. Families who are "in the know" about how JCs work (elders and their wives/families) are often able to strategize their statements/confessions and avoid The Axe. Those that do not know how to play their game, go in unknowing and get kicked out while three assholes feel like bigshots and feel vindicated in ruining their lives.