Posts by Larry

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Should Ex's Care For Believing Parents?

by Englishman in

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so when my dear old mum, who is well into her 80's, is no longer able to care for herself, what then?.

well, i guess we could build a granny-annexe and take care of her.

trouble is, i'm disfellowshipped, so i wonder how the local elders would react to that one.. same with my kid brother, he's an outcast too.. hmm.

Larry

Wow, never thought about it this way:

"I think it's utterly appalling that the WTS can encourage JW parents to treat their non-JW or ex-JW children like pond-scum, and encourage these elderly folks to bequeath their homes and estates to the WTS instead of their non-JW or ex-JW children, but then turn around and tell these lovely old folks that if they require assistance, they should go to their families (including their non-JW or ex-JW children) before expecting any assistance from the Christian Congregation?."

It's sickening indeed!

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Yes or No----Do You Believe That JWs Are A Cult?

by minimus in

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i believe they are "cultlike" but i don't think they are a "cult"........and you?

Larry

Mos Def (Most Definitely - YES!!!)

What's the tally thus far?

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All Scripture Inspired?

by Carmel in

let's assume you believe that jesus was the "son of god" had a direct link to all knowledge, okay?

would it be fair to conclude that he was "informed" of the other greater and older civilizations around the world as he trudged from nazareth to jerusalem?

would he not also be aware of zoroaster, relatively next door, chrisna and buddha further to the east?

Larry

These books showed me plenty of proof:

Christianity Before Christ by John G. Jackson

Anacalypsis or the Origin of Languages, Nations, & Religions: An Attempt to Draw Aside the Veil of the Saitic Isis by Godfrey Higgins

The Historical Jesus and the Mythical Christ: Separating Fact from Fiction by Gerald Massey

The Quest of the Historical Jesus by Albert Schweitzer

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Were you ever conned by a JW financially??

by Sassy in

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two years ago a 'sister' was holding a formal (so she said) and it was passed on from one email to another in the online jw world.

each one was supposed to send in installment payments with the full amount for just the formal event being $100.

a hundred perhaps even double signed up and began sending money to this 'sister'.

Yes, I co-signed for this brother and he reneged on the payments. Initially, I never give it a second though as to whether he was going to make good on his promise - After all, we are all JDubs, he was in good standing. Only 'worldly' people do those unscrupulous things - Not.

When I confronted him he was as humble as a lamb, but the damage was done. His false humility wouldn't help my credit report. Anyway, things turned out fine, and I learned a valuable lesson about co-signing.

In hind sight, it was by fault for being so trusting of Jah's servants - J Dub or not, Co-Signing is a risky proposition.

Interestingly, this was about the time the BORG came out with those financial articles about putting things in writing.

PS - I heard of plenty of bus trips gone bad, where folks lost their money, only to be told something similar to what sassy was told - "we should just 'forgive' her and let it go..."

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All Scripture Inspired?

by Carmel in

let's assume you believe that jesus was the "son of god" had a direct link to all knowledge, okay?

would it be fair to conclude that he was "informed" of the other greater and older civilizations around the world as he trudged from nazareth to jerusalem?

would he not also be aware of zoroaster, relatively next door, chrisna and buddha further to the east?

Larry

LT - Good point. It could be, I don't really remember the content of that text. But the point I'm trying to make is that we (I) was lead to believe that Jesus was unique in his sayings, when in fact, he wasn't.

Speaking of which, I was also lead to believe that the Mosaic law code (over 600 laws?) was a perfect law code, when in fact, it was not perfect at all. Again, borrowed laws from other civilizations that was portrayed to be original and just.

When I traveled to Egypt and saw the many ruins, hieroglyphics, temples, etc. it was an eye opener! Besides the fact that the Greeks learned most things from the Egyptians, the Levites (Book of Leviticus) got their temple set up or arrangements (High Priest, Priest, Alter, Most Holy, Incense, Basins, Rituals, Blood, Sacrifices, etc). from the Egyptians - I even walked in the Egyptian Most Holy chamber (very dark). When you think about it, it makes sense b/c Moses wrote that book (so they say) and he was raised in Egypt having access to the sacred rituals, so his point of reference may have been an Egyptian one.

Moses was 'inspired' by his Egyptian way of life.

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Goddess does exist.

by Hyghlandyr in

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i know a lot of you people are atheists.

of course we know that you chose this path because you are wicked and loony.

you can look all around you and see the creative force at work.

Larry

A blast from the past:

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After reading a few threads about Womens role in society, It reminded me of a book I recently read entitled: "When God Was A Women" by Merlin Stone. Here's a few quotes from her book:

"Diodorus described a nation in Libya as follows: All authority was vested in the women, who discharged every kind of public duty. The men looked after domestic affairs just as the women do among ourselves and do as they were told by the wives. They were not allowed to undertake war service or to exercise any functions of government, or to fill any public office, such as might have given them more spirit to set themselves up against the women. The children were handled over immediately after birth to the men, who reared them on milk and other foods suitable to their age."

""Herodotus of Greece, several centuries before Diodorus, wrote that in Egypt. "Women go in the market place, transact affairs and occupy themselves with business, while the husbands stay home and weave." His contemporary, Sophocles, stated that "Their thoughts and actions all are modeled on Egyptian ways, For there the men sit at the loom indoors while the wives work aboard for their daily bread.""

""Diodorus wrote of a nation in this area in which "women held the supreme power and royal authority." According to his reports the queen of this land assigned the task of spinning wool and other domestic duties to the men, while law was established by the queen. He claimed that the rights to the throne belonged to the queen's daughter and succeeding women in the family line."

Peace - Larry

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All Scripture Inspired?

by Carmel in

let's assume you believe that jesus was the "son of god" had a direct link to all knowledge, okay?

would it be fair to conclude that he was "informed" of the other greater and older civilizations around the world as he trudged from nazareth to jerusalem?

would he not also be aware of zoroaster, relatively next door, chrisna and buddha further to the east?

Larry

Just a few 'inspired' thoughts -

In reading history, especially the history of the popes and the religious dictators, I find it very difficult to accept anything they had a hand in. They were the ones who decided what bible books to include in the canon. In my opinion, these men were more ghastly and sinister than Hitler, and we are suppose to accept what they chose is best for mankind, let alone accept that it was inspired? If they killed thousands of innocent people, for hundreds of years to further their agenda, what makes them qualified to select what's holy and what's not. It doesn't take a political genius to see that what's in the bible today was inserted by evil men to promote and exploit their political agenda. Did god use these macabre men to further his message, just to test our faith? I don't think so.

Also, as the original post says, other religions and holy books (

Zoroaster, Chrisna, Buddha, Zenda, Vesta, the Bagavigita, the Upanishads) were around during Jesus time, and even pre-dated Jesus by thousands of years. If you were to read these older holy books you would see that mostly everything Jesus uttered was borrowed from these older prophets and holy men. Just about nothing Jesus said was original, although the scripture says 'no one ever spoke like him.' There were many other 'saviors' with the same story as Jesus (virgin birth, redeemer, resurrected, wise men, lamb, son of god, etc.) thousands of years before the bible was written.

Yes, all scripture is inspired - inspired by whatever men happened to be in power in a particular region of the world at a particular time. Inspired doesn't mean that it is true or authentic, it just means that the folks in control said it was.

Peace - Larry :)

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Were You Considered A Spiritual Person In The Congregation?

by minimus in

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one of the biggest reasons many can't get over the fact that my wife, daughter and i left the "truth" is because we were considered "spiritual models" in the hall as well as circuit.

we knew everybody from cos and bethel heavies to "prominent" elders and families within the organization.

we were on many circuit parts and i had the "privilege" (

Larry

Yeah, a 'Big Tree of Righteousness'.

- Larry :)

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Dreams about the BORG & The word Jehovah

by Larry in

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i've been gone from the borg (organization) for about seven years now, and i'm as anti borg as they come, but for some strange reason, recently, i keep dreaming about the time i started drifting away from the borg.

the dreams places me in the back of the kingdumb hall attending either the first or second half of the sunday meeting.

whenever the meeting was over i would get up and leave.

Larry

I've been gone from the BORG (Organization) for about seven years now, and I'm as anti BORG as they come, but for some strange reason, recently, I keep dreaming about the time I started drifting away from the BORG. The dreams places me in the back of the KingDumb Hall attending either the first or second half of the Sunday meeting. Whenever the meeting was over I would get up and leave. But in the dream I kept doing this for years when in reality I only did it for a few months. Even in the dream I'm asking myself "what am I still doing attending this meeting?" It's all just so weird. Anyway, do any of you have dreams about still being in the BORG? And what is the reason you think you still have these dreams?

Also, I hate using the name Jehovah (it's even difficult for me to type). Do any of you feel the same way about that name.

Larry :)

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X-JW ESP

by Hunyadi in

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it is sort of funny.

it is intriguing and a bit scarey.

i have had at least four striking experiences in which i was out and about doing stuff in settings no theocratic jw would ever be caught in.

Larry

Yes, it happened to me as well. A co worker of mine was telling me about a child molestation incident involving her son and how it was covered up. The I said "Were you a J Dub?" After a brief span of silence (it seemed like an eternality) we were both stun when she said "Yes, what congregation did you go to?"

Larry :)