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  HERE'S WHAT JW ELDERS DO TO LITTLE GIRLS

  by crawdad2 in

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  2. scandals

  they question her, in private, all alone with her.... then the questioning keeps breaking down the little girl, so she crys, and they watch, making her describe every detail of the sex act......while she crys..... they want more exact details of where here tounge was............. while she crys....... then they go to a room for 5 min and come back and tell her she doesn't have 2 witnesses, and that she should just keep quite about the matter.. and if she says anything about the matter at all, she will be punished........."then"... she has to go "home" and face "daddy" the "petophile"...... daddy is kind of mad.... do you get the picture yet????????????????????????????????????.

  meanwhile daddy is asked to give a part on the assembly.. and little girl has learned to not tell-on daddy........ever again, or she might "die".

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  Just my opinion but....i think we go we go down the wrong path when we start speaking with some sort of authority about the "percentage" of elders who were of this sort or that. I mean, I could start in and say : Well, I was a member of SIX congregations and all of the P.O.'s were among the most humble men to walk the earth, therefore the the percentage of BAD elders is very low, while the percentage of GOODS elders is very high!

  I know, an extereme example, but the point speaks to perceptions. It also, I think, speaks to the variety of people, even amongst a fairly homogeneous group such as JW's.

  My OPINION is that MOST people are fairly good. I beleieve that statement to be true even amongst elders. The methods are another issue. They come from the top down. They are ingrained as a religious belief that many have held their entire life. Think about that. Pretty powerful stuff that religion (Wars, crusades, inquisitions, etc.). Many good men have been led down that path.

  I also realize that anecdotes such as that brought forth by crawdad are very true. They are indeed horrible truths that need to be exposed.

  How often do these things take place as crawdad described ? Dunno. The percentage that take this approach as stated by crawdad, spero and other? Dunno. We really only know about the ones that are .. well... known. We take what we KNOW and we use IT to change things.
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  Is Dateline pre-empted tonight on the West Coast??

  by Undine in

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  does anyone know if dateline is scheduled to air as planned on the west coast?.

  seems there are basketball playoffs and "post-game" chat afterwards...so dateline may be pre-empted on the west coast?

  (woe!).

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  I was looking at the tv listings for tonight. It looked like Dateline would be pre-empted by the NBA playoffs. I live in Indianna. There is an hour block after the playoffs listed as "to be announced", but no Dateline. What's the dealio? If the game runs late will the JW's say God's spirit intervened?
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  I learned new info about the UN and the WTS

  by Leander in

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  yesterday i had the chance to visit with reborn and he graciously shared some of his research with me.

  out of all the things that he presented one of the most shocking for me was the wts involvment with the un.. i had been previously aware that the wts was registered for 10 years as an ngo.

  however they made the claim that they were not aware that one of the requirements of being an ngo was that they needed to publish information that cast a favorable light on the un.

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  It's not old news to everyone. Besides it is worth repeating. Perspectives are nice too. Stories like this never cease to amaze those of us nesting under rocks.
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  1 slowfade 2 go please (thanks 4 the advice)

  by Leander in

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  thanks to everyone who contributed to the earlier post i made today.

  after a few hours of consideration i believe the slow fade probably is the best choice for my situation.

  by just gradually reducing my meeting attendance i can still maintain contacts with friends and family and still find liberation from the tower.

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  Leander, good call bro! You'll have to be vigilant though, even the slow fade can be tricky. They will come around when you are not expecting them, they will tug at your heart strings. Just explain that you have some personal issues that you may discuss when your ready. Eventually it will slow and then stop.

  I have REALLY enjoyed your posts. You and I are the same age, we have a lot in common. I'm only about 6 mos. ahead of you in my exit. Main difference-- my wife is with me on this. What the future holds for you? Who knows? But you will be in the drivers seat for the first time. Enjoy your freedom. Give the Mrs. some time, she may suprise you! But whatever happens, at least you'll have ownwership in YOUR life. Rock on Leander!
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  Bill Bowen's Use of "Fake Precision"

  by Psychdigg in

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  the fake precision fallacy involves making a claim with a mathematical precision that is impossible to obtain.. he does this on his site where he starts with an alleged and unsupported figure that the watchtower has a file of some 23,000 child molesters and runs that figure up to the point where it becomes absolutely absurd.

  his purpose is to persuade readers that jehovah's witnesses are a hot bed of child molestation.

  the problem is that he starts with at best very dubious sources and then he takes this data and treats it as if it is precise and factual.. it is not unusual for many of us to use a frivolous "false precision" in making statements.

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  I've said this before but.... I really don't think there is anymore or less pedophillia in the org than anywhere else. This is a social problem that is everywhere. I also think that Psych has made some valid points about numbers. I myself am suspicious of Bill Bowen. I don't know the man so that is almost automatic.

  That said ... Psych, just keep an open mind. Don't get in this routine where you feel that defending an organization of MEN is equivilant to defending God'd name. It just isn't. Don't serve an organization. Think about it. It's insane bro. Keep tuning in. Don't take the critisism of the organization personally, just listen and gleen, but think indepenently from the WT.
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  What do you do at a birthday party?

  by flower in

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  please pardon my ignorance and stupidity but if i cant ask ya'll who can i ask?

  thats good for a little girl right?

  and i asked her mom if there was anything she needed help with.

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  Flower, I can relate. My son just went to only his second yesterday. We went to walmart to pick up a gift. I was thinking. How much do I spend? I didn't wan to be a cheapo, but I didn't want to over do it either. My son was at first insistant that it should come in a huge box. He later relented and we ended purchasing two star wars episode II action figures and two packages of starwars trading cards. We got one of those Batman gift bags and some tissue paper and we were set.

  Incidentally I was a little bunged that I would run into a JW at walmart (that is their auxilliary KH:>) with all of this Happy B-day stuff. I know it's pathetic but I'm still in recovery.
  Also the birthday boy told my son the he gave him the best present that day. FYI: it was Qui Gon and Annikan . Flower,if all else fails just remember Qui Gon and Annikan. Girls LOVE Star Wars. Uhh Better stick w/ Barbi. Good Luck! I mean Good Fortune! no Best Wishes! Aww screw it Good Luck!
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  JW's are an unknown fringe group

  by joelbear in

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  i went to a dinner party tonight that had about 100 people, all non jws.

  laughter and merriment and a good time was had by all.. these were good honest hard working people who have no clue as to what jws believe or that they are going to be judged according to whether they believe like witnesses do.. it impressed on my mind just how unknown witnesses are and how little people pay any attention to their message.. witnesses think they are the center of the universe.

  non-witnesses don't even think about them at all.. joel

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  Joel, your reply to dnp was excelent. He really needs to know that most here don't hate JW's. A lot of what he had to say is typical of the mindset of JW's ( DNP, we all know this because we all were there parroting the same defences you are my friend.) He was worried about us stereotyping them when he was making many false assumptions about us.
  Donotprovoke, the main difference between you and us is that we all have been JW's. Me -- all my life until recently. But you have never been an Ex JW. We know why we left. You do not. Contrary to what the WT would tell you, I didn't leave for prides sake. I had no issue or real problem with any person in the organization. I miss many of them. For most here our only real crime was this : We changed our mind. We don't believe they have the truth. We have discovered some things. We have come to some realizations. For that we are villified as apostates. (Some have embraced that term but I HATE it.)
  DNP, if you are happy as a JW, go in peace my friend. I wish you the best. But, if you come to a point where you think they overstep their authority when it comes to how you choose to consienciously live, and the rules of living that they insist EVERYONE abide by start to seem a little far-fetched, you should know that it's okay to walk away. That doesn't make you an enemy of GOD. It just makes you a subject for slander and gossip amongst your former "brothers".
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  PANDELO's ARE INTERNATIONAL NEWS!!!!!!!!

  by deddaisy in

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  this is a news wire from today, check out the distribution........... ____________________________________________________________________.

  copyright 2002 associated press .

  ap worldstream .

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  This story and that of Bill Bowen and others was on the front page of the religion section in northern Indiana papers. There was a pic of Bowen standing in front of a KH. Very revealing article . I would have hated to be out in service today.
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  How They (GB) sleep at night? comments plz

  by sf in

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  i made this post in mulan's thread, yet want to make it a topic:.

  "how does brown sleep at night?".

  better question...what do his dreams and nightmares consist of??.

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  They sleep like rocks. For cryin' out loud people, they are the Almighty God's representatives on earth! And you better believe they believe that.
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  An email to a new person in "the truth"

  by biblexaminer in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i wanted to share a few points from an email that i recently sent to a very sincere person.

  i think this has value for the dub neophytes in the crowd who lurk here.. to those newbies who, despite having found out plenty about the watchtower, still continue your study and attendance at meetings, i leave you these thoughts.. i understand your thinking, more than you know.

  when you take a look at the various churches around, there's not much to offer.

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  lastcall

  Enjoyed your post very much. I too was in it all my life. I am 31 years old. In my late 20's I began having doubts. My grandma had been trying to get me to read COC for more than 10 years. Turning 30 made me wonder about my life and where I was headed. That along with strong doubts and the realization that if it was indeed "the truth" it should be able to stand up against scrutiny, led me to finally read it. And I agree with you :

  "You see, there's a big difference between a newbie and a long time member. And they are both affected in far different a way by the truth about "the truth"."
  
  Excelent point. We all have the bond of having some association w/ JW"s on this board. But there is a extremely special bond among former JW's who were raised in it. No matter what convictions we have now, that upbringing shaped who we are. And there is this common awareness that those raised in it can always understand.
  Those of you who are teetering back and forth, take your time, but not too much time.Reassure yourself one way or the other, using a VARIETY of resourses, because life WILL pass you by my friends.
  I continue to be impressed and enlightened and understood by the cool people on this board.