ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.
i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.
for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.
I also noticed that any new development indicated "truthfulness"
New arrangement for the bkstudy=God is making things easier....end must be near!
Public and private WT's and Awakes= God is simplifying the work....end must be near!(same for the simplified versions)
30 hour requirement for aux pioneering= Same as above
Changed teaching(toes on statue)= light advancing....must be the truth!
ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.
i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.
for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.
Its incredible what you go back to when theres no other defence. Can't refute 607 or flip flops? Well "WHO ELSE PREACHES AROUND THE WORLD????" I think that was the most common fallback. Other fallbacks were
-nor war
-no pagan holidays or celebrations
-"love" in the congregation". (HAHA!)
*** w76 4/1 p. 216 par. 9 True Worship—A Successful Way of Life ***
9 In contrast, the Bible’s record of the confident, purposeful lives of God’s servants in the past, as well as the lives of those who practice the truth today, proves that true worship is the only really successful way of life. Obedience to God’s commandments has always set true worshipers apart from their contemporaries. As we considered in the previous article, ancient Israel stood out as superior in its time, so long as it stuck faithfully to “the framework of the knowledge and of the truth in the Law” given through Moses.
first of all i am happy to be here..this site has been an invaluable tool which helped me get to the point where i am today.
i was born and raised as a jehovah's witness and i am now 30 yrs old.
my entire family are die hard witnesses; pioneers, elders, bethel etc.
WELCOME! Love to see all the new people lurking and joining the site here. I'm sure you noticed this thread:
Very good thread. One of the things that bothers me is that even if you discuss your major doubts with your closest of family/friends....even if they can't refute ANY of it, they will not even consider it. I made the mistake of speaking to my brother about it too early, before I had the chance to REALLY develop a method(I could wipe the floor with him now...a little late though). I believe I pushed him even closer to it. I asked him if he knew what the "generation teaching" was. He didn't even know what that was, let alone all of the flip-flops related to it. He didn't even consider the possibilities and pushed him closer to something he barely knew about. My point is that no matter how much logic you present, if your family is as die-hard as you say, there not much you can do. Either you tell it all and be inevitably shunned....or stick with it at the expense of your genuine self. Here's my story if you are interested:
http://www.jehovahswitnessrecovery.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=11416
Wish you the best!!! We've all been there in one way or another :)
ever since i began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....i've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation.
i've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this must be the truth"!.
for instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection.
Ever since I began researching about mind control, the organization, etc....I've really been paying attention to the actions and comments of the members of the congregation. I've been noticing how so many people(usually the sisters) make up such ludicrous statements of how "this MUST be the truth"!
For instance, the other day a brother at our hall who is only his early 40's was admitted to the hospital because of a bad infection. It was so bad, he was offered only a 50/50 chance of survival after the surgery(he is recovering now). Keep in mind that this is one of the more "popular" brothers who has visited MANY MANY congregations in the area and know many of the brothers and sisters. Apparently, in the waiting room, there were dozens of the witnesses that he knew from the other congregations. It might have been around 40 or more of them in total. I noticed CONSTANT claims that "this is the only organization where so many people would care for one individual"...."Jehovah TRULY looks after His people!".
----->What bothered me was thinking about some of the more unknown or less "popular" brothers and sisters who were in the hospital at one point or another. Perhaps with even the same odds of survival. Sometimes only a few of the friends visited them. Perhaps even more "worldly" people visited them than did from "God's organization". But I don't recall any of the brothers and sisters making those statements at that time.
What other ludicrous statements of "this must be the truth!" did you notice?
a born ins challenge to develop a post cult personality.. mentally leaving the organization can be traumatic for a number of reasons.
one of the biggest challenges for born-ins in finding their pre cult personality is that our entire personalities are based on the religion.
there is no such thing as a pre cult personality for us.
Fantastic post! Resonates perfectly with my own situation!
^I struggle with this MANY times. I have had difficulty thinking for myself over the years. I have seen that as I grew older and began questioning....whenever some line of thought was out of harmony with the Watchtower, I could not not figure out how to go beyond it. If it's not spelled out for me, how can I react to it without negative repercussions to myself or others?
^AMEN!!!! No matter who that friend is or what their position in "God's Organization", they is NEVER a guaruntee that they will remain. There are many many examples in every congregation. Why grow to love a friend and share everything with them, only to see them leave and be shunned later on? They only ones I became close with were those who were "on the fence".
^I constantly ask myself these questions, among others. It's difficult for a born in to know who they truly are with only the Borg as their original and only line of thought.
One of my main issues is that I don't know what a real friend is. The Watchtower prints wonderful articles on unconditional love, being encouraging, and being there for one another. It's unfortunate that much of what is printed is not what plays out in actual practice. I have constantly struggled with what a real friend is. If they do something I don't like....do I drop them like a hot potato? Do I have to believe the same thing as you to be a true friend? If you suddenly confess to me that you believe anything different....do I just drop you as a friend? It's incredible how much indoctrination hold over one's life.
the prophecy clearly states that the destruction of jerusuelem will be 70 years before the cast to rebuild.
yet we know the destruction of jerusuelem was not 70 years before, it was at 586 bce, not 607 bce.
so this here is a clear contradiction between secular evidence and the bible.. atheists = win..
I don't dwell to much on the specifics of this date. Too much history and numbers for me. What I focus on is the Society's dishonest methods of upholding that date. No one should have to resort to misquoting all of your sources in order to prove a point....at least not if your claim has any real truth or legitimacy to it. That's just me anyway :)
i am seventeen years of age and have been born into christianity by my parents.
for some reason i havent really been all that into going to my christian church.
some of the things we discuss are very confusing.
JEEZ! Just realized this was a two year old thread. lol
i am seventeen years of age and have been born into christianity by my parents.
for some reason i havent really been all that into going to my christian church.
some of the things we discuss are very confusing.
releasing the bonds by shassan(don't think they have that one on pdf).
apocalypse delayed by jpenton.
out of the cuccoon by blee.
I'm looking for:
Releasing the Bonds by SHassan(don't think they have that one on PDF)
Apocalypse Delayed by JPenton
Out of the Cuccoon by BLee
---->I would order them but I just can't have them shipped to my front door for obvious reasons.
this book has been out of print for some time, causing used copies to sell for $100 and more.
the price of these new ones is much more reasonable.. hard cover, $30 here.. soft cover, $26 here.. shipping is free, and ray franz' widow, cynthia, is the seller..
YAY! thankfully I have it already, but it's great for those still researching. Great beginning for ANY level of the organization
