Posts by LDH1

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Osama's Fate?

by Englishman in

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if osama bin laden is captured and has to come to trial, what should his punishment be if he is found to be guilty of the murder of over five thousand people?.

would europeans accept any us demands for execution?.

this could get very complicated!.

LDH1

Now we are onto something!

Force him to watch CABLE 24/7. Especially MTV. How about hard core porn? Force him to watch naked women parading around (although, with being in prison this wouldn't be a crime for tooooo long, LOL).

Send him subscriptions to:

People
Teen Beat
US Weekly
Sports Illustrated
National Enquirer

He hates the American way of life so much. Don't give him prison issue garb. Make him wear Adidas and listen to Chuck D rap about "My Adidas."

Make him listen to ANY rock music. or Rap. House him with Marilyn Manson.

Great start. He can eat TV dinners and munch on Little Debbie Snack Cakes.

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Will YOU be the next dead American?

by Nathan Natas in

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i respectfully request that you take a few moments to read the following article, and i would appreciate hearing your responses.. - - - -.

future widows of america: write your congressman.

by ann coulter.

LDH1

Nathan I should have made it clearer--I'm not advocating Tupperware parties--ha ha don't be funny.

What I'm saying is these terrorists have a handbook that teaches them how to exploit the weaknesses of American Society and this was mentioned on several occasions in the book.

You and I both know neither Brinks nor ADP sells the best home security system--the best one is that nosy little old lady who watches everything.

Many Americans want to know 'what can I do to help?' This is one clear weakness that we CAN do something about.

Also, these boys have been instructed to rent Apartments in 'new complexes' where 'people don't know one another.' Why not require three letters of reference, and especially if they are an alien, from three US citizens?

We can't prevent these tragedies, but I think there is a lot we can do to make it more difficult for these terrorists.

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Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis in

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friends

found this article interesting.

what do you guys think?

it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

LDH1

Richard,

Because of who you think I am, you have read FAR TOO MUCH into my posts.

I have NEVER espoused reparations, only pointed out some valid arguments for the legal precedents which have been set in this and other lands.

My position is more similar to Julie's than either YOURS or UR's, which I think are both hardline leftist and rightist.

You say that :

You also struggle with contextual issues regarding my statements about American Indians. You and I both know that I was talking about American Indians at the time the Europeans settled this country. Not contempory American life and Indians

so easily. You refer to 'civilization' and 'nomadic savages', but then backpedal and say you're referring to Indians 'a long time ago.'

Without the Indian's assistance, white man would have never survived the first winter. That's why we celebrate Thanksgiving.

In thanks, the white man bought Manhattan Island for a boxful of cheap trinkets, shortly after they kindly handed out smallpox infected blankets.

Now who was civilized and who were savages?

All things that are legal are not advantageous, as the Apostle Paul pointed out.

There is NO RACE that is above reproach on matters of how they treat their fellow human beings. BlackMan succinctly stated, if the shoe were on the other foot, whites would have been treated just as badly.

AMEN.

I don't think my white relatives were 'the Great Satan.' Neither do I think blacks are free from culpability in the way they use the opportunities they have access to.

You say I am emotional. Perhaps you are right. Since I read articles two months ago about the chocolate industry and slave labor, I can't bring myself to eat a chocolate bar.
http://www.mft.co.uk/
* http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_946000/946952.stm

For sure, there's no white slave owners on Africa's Ivory coast. That doesn't make it any more palatable for me. If you can eat a choclate bar without thinking of a little 6 yr old that's been abducted to pick cacao beans, so be it. I can't. If that makes me emotional, so be it. I put my money where my mouth is. Or in this case, isn't.

I surely didn't start slavery, I mentioned my family never owned slaves. I didn't stop it either. At 32, I'm too young to remember most of the civil rights struggle.

However, it is my responsibility to leave the world a better place. That is the burden I have.

I didn't answer your question on reparations because most of them are hypothetical, and can't be answered. Responsiblity, guilt, nor victimization can ever be bought and paid for.

There are, however, things our society can and must do. And until we willingly step up to the plate and accept responsilibity, we're gonna keep on hearing about reparations.

I do find it odd that Bill Clinton went to Africa and apologised to the Africans for slavery, but never had the balls to do it in this country! Why? An apology means you've accepted responsibility!

I would far prefer it if our leaders would have the balls to say, "Slavery is a scar on this great nation's sould. We won't pay ONE RED CENT in reparations. We will, however, ......."

I hope I live to see that day.

And you too.

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Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis in

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friends

found this article interesting.

what do you guys think?

it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

LDH1

Wow, Richard,

I don't even know you and yet you are one of the most judgemental people I 'know.' Sigh. The can of Whoop Ass is now open. Not only have I remained unemotional about the whole argument, my postion has been one that maintains that race is not an easy dialogue in our country. You have resorted to vulgarities and name calling, because you have no point other than repeatedly saying "I don't want my tax dollars used on crybabies."

So to assign them some noble status in the annals of humankind is absolutely ridiculous.

Would you please show me where I attempted to 'elevate' Indians to "noble" status?

As far as Indians having a better way

Please tell me WHERE I said an Indian's way was better than anyone else's?!?!

You simply exist in a make believe plane.

That being the case, I'd best divest myself of any of the Boards of Directors I sit on. I'd hate for my peers to hear I am living in a make believe world! And here, I was under the impression that we were ALL trying to make the world a better place! Silly me!

They were nomadic savages

How fucking dare you lump all Natives in one boat! Who do you think you are?

Would you please forward any relevant input you have on this issue to the United States Congress? I'm sure they will immediately revoke the honors they have recently bestowed upon Native American "Code Talkers" who helped them win the war, the whole time their own people were being victimized. To hear you tell it, the only people worth ANYTHING in this great big world are White Americans!

(since you haven't educated yourself, I'll tell you it was the Choctaw tribe that assisted our government in WWI and the Navajo that assisted in WWII) Can you imagine, our big ol' government needing the assistance of a group of nomadic savages?

You just keep listening to Rush Limbaugh and Dr. Laura Schlepp-inger. Your kind of intolerance is getting more popular by the week! [8>] I am sorry to hear you won't be able to vote for Jesse Helms any more. Perhaps, though, if we are lucky, Strom Thurman will be next.

You are an emotional bundle ready to explode.

On the contrary, you are the one who has become angered by this whole topic. But, if you still are so convinced that I am 'emotional,' I hear Miss Cleo is looking for an assistant. If you don't mind sitting next to a black woman in a turban all day, that is.

You, sir, are an asshole of great proportions. You haven't addressed one question of mine, but would rather resort to name calling and "I'm right because I say so."

You need to attend whatever courses your blue-collar factory job is offering on cultural sensitivity, post haste.

Lisa

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Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis in

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friends

found this article interesting.

what do you guys think?

it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

LDH1

Saint,

Shoot, I thought I was gonna get some easy money!

Lisa

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Comments? Black Slavery

by Naeblis in

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friends

found this article interesting.

what do you guys think?

it seems to be opposed topretty much everything i've read so far.. .

LDH1

Saint,

This whole concept of human migration, whether forced or voluntary is totally subjective. Rights and wrongs have been commited since man walked.

You are absolutely right! Therefore, if you would be so kind as to forward me your correct street address, I'll be along to promptly kick your ass and take over your property. I will also enslave your children, and when their grandchildren hear of it years later and want their house back, I shall show them this thread!

Might does not make right, my friend. Never has.

UR,
Not offended, just not black, LOL! Wasn't sure if you were talking to me. Pls. email me, I have some info you may like.

Lisa

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Buy your car from The WBTS! Free keychain!

by LDH in

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* http://www.circuitleasing.com.

for any newbies who don't know about this.

the wbts takes the cars that the congregations have paid for, and sells them.. do you remember voting to pay for a car for the circuit/district overseer a few years back?

LDH1

Mad Apostate,

If you really want to know, why not call them on Monday? The lady who answers the phone is very nice. As I mentioned in my original post, this is a recycled topic from several months back, where I did the research and posted at that time.

I posted this info for newbies who have a right to know what happens to the assets they donate. Are you aware that non-profit organizations have to make an accounting for thier money? Should the WT be any different? Do you even know which of the 60+ corporations the WT owns in whole or part handles the Fleet Leasing arrangements? I didn't think so.

You are more foolish than I took you to be initially, which is pretty bad in and of itself!

I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when you insulted Max, stating 'others felt he had an arrogant attitude as well.' (This is a well know elementary school tactic, speaking for/defending your friends. But when you get to be a grown-up, and assuming you are, you let others fight their own battles.)

But your rude remarks to me have been so out of line and uncalled for, perhaps it's not the benefit of the doubt you need. Perhaps it's a serotonin regulator.

Kelly Blue Book just celebrated their 75th year in business, NADA their 68th. I'm sure the folks at Kelly *CARE* that you think they are a poor source.

Do you think you are an authority on Fleet leasing? Or perhaps you're in the used car business. And we all know how much credibility used car salesmen have.

Dumbass

Watch it. I really mean that. I've shredded people better than you with one hand tied behind my back.

Lisa

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Buy your car from The WBTS! Free keychain!

by LDH in

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friends

* http://www.circuitleasing.com.

for any newbies who don't know about this.

the wbts takes the cars that the congregations have paid for, and sells them.. do you remember voting to pay for a car for the circuit/district overseer a few years back?

LDH1

Snot Nosed Brat/Newbie that gets no respect:

Maybe you could post those financial "specifics" about WTS subsidiaries to which you refer that you and everyone else know?

Maybe instead of insulting people you should research them for yourself. Do you know how to do independent research after years of being fed WBTS resources?

Do you understand the definition of "donation/gift"?

Let me repost what I stated earlier.

I was regular pioneering when I made a commitment to chip in even more money at the hall. Not only to the:

*Literature fund (Global preaching work)
*Remodeling fund (local hall remodeled in 1995)
*New Kingdon Hall fund (remodeled hall wasn't good enough, so after 2 years of fighting over whether ot not to remodel it, we did and then two years later built a brand new KH 2 miles down the road. This reminds me of yet another EXPERIENCE, I'll post later)
*Jehovah's Witness Assembly Hall in Henrietta, NY
* and now a CAR for the CO.
*etc etc etc.

Gifts, all. Donations, every bit including my time.

To answer your last question: YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND MUCH OF ANYTHING.

WHAT last question? I think you meant "to answer MY last question." (Stickler for accuracy here.)

Max probably can fill in "some" details.

He left the board, remember?

Your stupidity

I supplied hard facts from unbiased sources. Maybe you should contact Circuit leasing like I did if you want some specific answers. Do your own research. Unless *you're* too stupid to know how.

Maybe you could post those financial "specifics" about WTS subsidiaries to which you refer that you and everyone else know?

Like I said.......

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Armegeddon Pictures

by silentlambs in

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anyone know where i might find some good pictures of armegeddon in wt publications on the net?

any help would be appreciated.

LDH1

Jayhawk,

GOOD ONE!

Lisa

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Buy your car from The WBTS! Free keychain!

by LDH in

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friends

* http://www.circuitleasing.com.

for any newbies who don't know about this.

the wbts takes the cars that the congregations have paid for, and sells them.. do you remember voting to pay for a car for the circuit/district overseer a few years back?

LDH1

Mad,

I don't know how you expect folks here to have financial "specifics" on this?

The same way we get financial specifics on other corporations wholly or partly held by the WBTS. If you don't know, speak for yourself and yourself alone. Others DO know.

If any so-called "profit" ocurrs when the auto is finally disposed, then so what?

Maybe you missed the part where the WBTS classifies themself as a 501c3 (non-profit).

By establishing an "auto leasing" corp, there are numerous financial and time saving positives.

No one disagrees that the way to go is by leasing these automobiles in the first place. How fleet leasing works was never at question. Any goombah knows the more of one item you buy, the better price you will get. That was never at issue. Did you read my original post thoroughly?

Maybe you don't get it. These cars are not for sale to COs and DOs. They are for sale to the general public.

Now, that's fine with me. But, if you were anywhere near a KH in the mid 90's you would have remembered taking a vote on the CONGREGATIONS in each circuit absorbing one payment per year, or whatever their pro-rate worked out to. Now, since the circuits paid for these vehicles, when they are ultimately sold/replaced, shouldn't the CIRCUIT get the 'profit' you casually mention? Wouldn't that at least get back half of the money they forked out?

The 2001 BASE MODEL Regal is $23,575. Let's say the 1999 fleet price was $20,000.

Circuit Leasing is selling 1999 models for $14,000.

The Kelly Blue Book is $11,000 for a 1999 model with 50,000 miles on it. Circuit Leasing is selling them for around $14,000.
http://www.kbb.com

So, in short, MA, The circuit paid approx $20,000 for a car in 1999. That car is being sold today for $14,000.Who gets the $14,000? Shouldn't the circuit/congregations who bought it in the first place get that money?

I see NOTHING WRONG with this

That's your privilege to have this opinion. OTHERS don't share it with you.

Does anyone know for sure that CiruitLeasing is a subsidiary of the WTS, or was it set up by outside "supporters"?

Phone numbers are listed on the site for your convenience. I've already called and had my curiosity satisfied.

I was regular pioneering when I made a commitment to chip in even more money at the hall. Not only to the:

*Literature fund (Global preaching work)
*Remodeling fund (local hall remodeled in 1995)
*New Kingdon Hall fund (remodeled hall wasn't good enough, so after 2 years of fighting over whether ot not to remodel it, we did and then two years later built a brand new KH 2 miles down the road. This reminds me of yet another EXPERIENCE, I'll post later)
*Jehovah's Witness Assembly Hall in Henrietta, NY
* and now a CAR for the CO.
*etc etc etc.

So, although you find it to be not a problem, I don't share your sentiments. Maybe I just don't understand the 'new math.' [8>]

Lisa
PS Jayhawk, most interested to see how fast you get YOUR keychain!