Interesting discussion. As a former Witness, I can fully appreciate that " a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing." But there are many things learned that make sense. The greater issue of univeral sovereignty takes precedent over our personal issues. Believing that God will, in his time, correct these things is not unreasonable. To believe otherwise leaves us at the beginning of this thread.
mrquik
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An Old Argument.... does it hold water?
by AK - Jeff inestimates range from 4 million to 15 million children die from starvation each year on this planet.
that's between 500 and 1700 children a day, depending on what numbers you accept.
still, no matter which numbers you use, doesn't this make you arrive at one of the following conclusions?.
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Sitting Still at Meetings has Become an Impossibility
by venusinfauxfurs insince i know the truth about jw, and still have to go to meetings for family reasons (and because i don't want to leave my friends, either) i get so sick in my chair in the hall.
i can't pay attention, i can't sit still knowing it's all such a waste of time and a big fat lie.
i get weird symptoms like: the feeling that i'm going to almost pass out, very sweaty or very cold, and weak legs though i'm sitting down, and the urge to get up and run away.
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mrquik
I left after 50 yrs. in. All my friends & my oldest daughter I have left behind. Oh, and my exwife. It's been 4 yrs. now & it gets better as time passes. I have a new wife, life & friends. I can't tell you what road to take. We're all on separate ones ourselves. Whatever works for you. We're here to support & help. Good luck. One piece of advice: Live Well....Enjoy Life.
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Woe to YOU, Congregation Elders
by Badfish in"woe to you, congregation elders, hypocrites!
because you shut up the kingdom of the heavens before men; for you yourselves do not go in, neither do you permit those on their way in to go in.".
"woe to you, congregation elders, hypocrites!
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mrquik
Jesus condemnation of the Scribes & Pharisees was well deserved as they knew the truth yet worked against it. Indeed they are worthy of everlasting destruction. That principle holds true to only those who meet the same criteria. Many here, including myself were or are elders who sincerely (though mistakenly) believed what they were or are doing to be approved by God. Jesus did not condemn Paul for his actions for this reason. I think the only group that fit this is the GB. Rot in hell guys.
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I want your Christmas traditions!
by watersprout ini have deceided that this year i would like (if you will indulge me) lots of different traditions from lots of different countries and cultures.... so what have you got??.
i also want to hear what makes your christmas super special... what do you do to make up for all those lost years.. babysprout really believes in santa... all the kids in her class have been telling her he isn't real.
i mean what is this, a class full of dubbies??
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mrquik
My step daughter's birthday is on Christmas. She turns 18 & I promised her a Caribbean cruise for her 18th birthday. I'm taking her & her girlfriend for a week through the Caribbean. Just the way I wanted to spend Christmas.......
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Do you feel moved or obligated to check in on JW family?
by mamalove inif you are being shunned, do you ever feel out of obligation that you should be the bigger person and check in on parents or siblings who are still jw's and have nothing to do with you?
i have reached out to my sibling and get zero back.
it hurts, and i am angry about it, yet from time to time i still feel a tenderness in my heart and let it be known that the love and care and concern is there.
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mrquik
I have just my oldest daughter still in. She lives out of state & rarely contacts me about anything. I miss her & my grandchildren, but I understand the cult mindset. I hope one day she'll realize the truth, but until then I'm leaving well enough alone.
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Is this Watchtower comment about the Slave a lie?
by jwfacts inin the question from readers, watchtower 2011 8/15 p. 22 it made the following comment:.
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
the governing body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.".
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mrquik
Geez Paul; 427 hrs. & only 1 study. You crikey slacker!!! Don't you know the world is going to end? Maybe not tonight, but soon. Probably in 2012 or maybe 2014... but soon. As the 9/10 WT said & I quote "at any time!!!" Could be 2018 or 2019........or maybe 2034 ...but soon.....soon....... On a serious note, have a nice day Paul.
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Is this Watchtower comment about the Slave a lie?
by jwfacts inin the question from readers, watchtower 2011 8/15 p. 22 it made the following comment:.
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
the governing body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.".
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mrquik
It is, of course, a lie. Just another to add to the house of cards they've constructed. This goes along with the slave "class." Basically they're saying "we don't give a shit about the rest of the "slave class". We make the rules & everyone else is going to follow in line or get their apostate ass kicked out of our little club. Those of you lurking or hanging in there for family, you have my deepest sympathy.
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How Have you Counted your time for Pioneering?
by jehu or jehonadab injust woundering how have you counted your time in field service especially if you were pioneering?.
would like to see if any of you were on the same page as i was.
with so much to do, like reading all the watchtower and awake each month and the bible reading each week.
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mrquik
Take the pressure off yourself. Make it up. It's all worthless anyway. Who's going to believe you after crying "Wolf" for a century. Life is not be wasted on fruitless endeavors. Try sleeping in on Saturdays. Trust me, you'll be glad you did.
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New career at 30 - suggestions/ideas?
by i_drank_the_wine ini'm in need of a career change, or at the very least a new job that i can make money at while i continue to work on computer related side-projects.
i'm burnt as hell at computer programming, and being that i am self-taught and have very little corporate experience i am not looking into doing this anymore as it's all i've done as a career for the last 10 years.. long story short, bad money crunch, no degree of any sort, a gamble to try and make my own business failed - so i need to find a new career or job.
searching the papers is somewhat dis-heartening so far.. any ideas, suggestions, or advice for this daunting task of trying to find some way to keep from going bankrupt with a new job.
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mrquik
I switched careers at 32. I had a high level management position but began hating every day I went to work. Got an offer in construction. Started at the bottom & worked my way back up. The difference is I love my job. Find something you have a passion for. With the skills I've learned. I've built my last two homes. Find something you're good at & go for it. I worked at Kodak when I was 19. Made good money. Hated the job. Went into human resources to give my two week notice. The old man I talked to said " Son, I want you to reconsider leaving Kodak. When you get older, you'll regret leaving." I looked at him & said " When I get older, I'll regret many things, leaving this place won't be one of them." Good Luck.
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Here is the funeral talk outline. VERY discraceful.
by stillstuckcruz inthis is truly terrible.
i just love the statement "instead of eulogizing the deceased, use the material in this outline to give a fine witness concerning the truth.
" in other words, utterly disregard the deceased.
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mrquik
Went to one this year. The elder had the balls to hold out "everlasting life" for the faithful. Evidently the deceased, as well as "millions now living" missed the boat. Total cold hearted sales pitch.