Posts by Leander

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Things I'm looking forward to once I leave

by Leander in

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for the first time in a long time i actually have something to look forward to.

knowing that i no longer will be under the constraints of a oppresive religion has done a lot for me.

(and i have'nt left yet) .

Leander

For the first time in a long time I actually have something to look forward to. Knowing that I no longer will be under the constraints of a oppresive religion has done a lot for me. (and I have'nt left yet)

I've always wanted to go to college just to be able to enjoy learning about various subjects. In fact I'm very resentful of the fact that I could have been much futher thant where I am right now if I had went to school. When I was in high school I was offered a scholarship to study commercial arts. I also had the opportunity to go to medical school for free. When I was in school I lived next door to a doctor who had a son who died, I guess him and his wife took a liking to me and they offered to pay for medical schooling if that was my inclination. Well as you can imagine I turned it down because of the wonderful JW faith, needless to say that decision haunts even till today.

But despite some missed opportunites and lost years I'm looking ahead to the future. I'm really excited about the prospect of meeting new people and experiencing things that I've been taught to avoid for most of my life. I plan on learning how to play a few instruments, I'm considering taking up a few courses at a local university and even though I prefer the clean shaven look I plan on growing a beard just because I finally can now.

I guess this post is basically fluff, but I just felt like sharing my mood today.

What about you guys, how has life been for you since the escape from the watchtower?

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What kind of music do you listen to?

by Leander in

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i'm a music junkie, i like pretty much all types of music.

but in particular i would have to say jazz is my favorite, but not the watered down kenny g style of jazz.

i prefer the straight ahead, hard bop type of jazz.. lately i've been really getting into psychedelia rock.

Leander

I'm a music junkie, I like pretty much all types of music. But in particular I would have to say jazz is my favorite, but not the watered down Kenny G style of jazz. I prefer the straight ahead, hard bop type of jazz.

Lately I've been really getting into psychedelia rock. I've always liked Jimi Hendrix but for some reason his music is speaking volumes to me recently. I'm currently trying to find some more rock that kinda resembles the music Jimi was doing.

So what do you listen to?

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Fooling around when you knew it was wrong.

by bannerabyss in

remember being a jw youth and fooling around with another jw youth and how you knew it was wrong?

i think that was the the best feeling i have ever had.

it was so exciting.

Leander

I agree 100% on that. I've actually spent considerable time trying to figure that one out. Why is doing wrong, especially when you're sneaking around to do it so much fun?

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Were you a virgin on your wedding night?

by montag in

if you were a good little 'raised in the truth' jw then the answer should be 'yes'.. so let's here from you.. [stands up] my name is montag and i was a 22 year old virgin on my wedding night.. .

-m-

Leander

Unbelievably I was, although I had a number of close encounters

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Some of my DF'ing

by gsx1138 in

warning: this is graphic but a true account.

i was df'd for committing fornication.

i had already started to figure out that the religion had some serious flaws but that didn't stop me from feeling like all my misfortune was brought on by my disobedience to god.

Leander

wow 40 times, you guys must have been going at it non stop

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Analyzing sex and marriage within the WTS

by Leander in

growing up as a witness can do strange things to people, especially in a sexual sense.

i'd be embarraassed to recount some of the stories and experiences about sex that i've seen and heard dealing with young witnesses.. it seems that there are quite a few marriages that have taken place with younger witnesses simply to satisfy sexual urges.

after the inital curiosity has been satisfied a lot times young couples realize that they made a terrible mistake which often leads to a variety of different problems.. currently i find myself in a similar situation.

Leander

Growing up as a witness can do strange things to people, especially in a sexual sense. I'd be embarraassed to recount some of the stories and experiences about sex that I've seen and heard dealing with young witnesses.

It seems that there are quite a few marriages that have taken place with younger witnesses simply to satisfy sexual urges. After the inital curiosity has been satisfied a lot times young couples realize that they made a terrible mistake which often leads to a variety of different problems.

Currently I find myself in a similar situation. Although I'm not dealing with any particular stressful marital problems I am however realizing that marriage was'nt the best choice for me. (at least at this particular time in my life) Even as a boy I've had a tendecy to seek out solitude and now that I'm approaching my 30th year of life I have that same desire. I would'nt consider myself to be anti-social by any means, but I really enjoy the pleasures of having time alone.

Its a terrible thing to realize that you've made an error in regards to a major decision such as marriage. I find myself resenting the fact that I put so much faith into the WTS and allowing their teachings to control so much of my life.

Whats your thoughts on sex and marriage from the JW perspective?

Does their outlook do more harm than good?

Its ironic that I tried to do the honorable thing by getting married so I could fulfill my needs in a bibical way, but I'm still unsatisfied.

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How would you counter these common JW arguments?

by Leander in

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as i mentioned before in previous posts i'm trying to prepare myself for an exit of the borg.

so what i've been doing over the last few days is thinking of ways to counter the questions that i know will be directed to me.

in particular how would you go about responding to the following questions?.

Leander

Liberty, at first I was thinking of quitely fading away but I'm having other thoughts now. While I don't intend on making a spectacle or forming an anti-JW campaign I do plan on making it known why I have made my decision to leave. I probably would never be able to fade away quitely however, I was fairly enthusiastic before I began having doubts. And even now that I'm convinced I need to leave I still try to be energetic with my public speaking. I guess because of that the elders consider me to be potentially a good overseer. They've even wanted me to conduct the Watchtower on a few occasions although I'm just a MS. So if I miss more than a meeting I usually get calls from the elders asking about me which makes it hard for me to just fade in peace.

Wow Bjc, that is an excellent argument. I'm aware of the UN scandal but I never thought of using it connection with that scripture at Matthews. This is great, that is solid evidence that the WTS is flat out wrong.

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In 1968 WTower they said -

by mouthy in

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i have just finished reading watchtower of aug 15th 1968.

( i was still there then) i couldnt believe what i'm reading & i qoute.

"are we to assume from this study that the battle of armageddon will be over by the autumn of 1975 & the longed looked for thousand year reign of christ will begin by then?

Leander

Thats the exact same thing I showed my wife a while back. She insisted that the society never claimed that the end would come in 1975. I agreed with her and then said but they did say it would come at least before 1976 was out and then I showed her that article.

She could'nt come up with a defense after that. Instead she asked me why was I looking for mistakes that the WTS had made.

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How would you counter these common JW arguments?

by Leander in

jw
friends

as i mentioned before in previous posts i'm trying to prepare myself for an exit of the borg.

so what i've been doing over the last few days is thinking of ways to counter the questions that i know will be directed to me.

in particular how would you go about responding to the following questions?.

Leander

Flower - At first I was going to just leave without any explanation what so ever, but now I'm thinking that I want to walk away after I expose some of the fraudulent teachings. Besides to be completely honest I kind of have some ulterior motives of letting everyone know a I have opposing viewpoints

Alan F - Thats exactly the kind of scripture I was looking for. One of my plans is to run down the list of all the failed prophecies and then immediately read numerous scriptures that show how the WTS fits the role of the false prophet. Thanks a lot, if you know of any more scriptures like that please let me know.

Ozzie - Excellent point, for a group who claims that they know they are imperfect they sure make a point to force their viewpoints down the throats of others.

Dedalus - It sounds like you and I might have similar thoughts on religion. To be perfectly honest my faith in the bible is somewhere between very little and non existent. But the controversial side of me wants to use the bible to expose the WTS for what they really are.

Scully - For the most part I realize that my reasoning with the elders probably won't make a big difference. But however it might make it easier for me to accomplish some other goals that I won't get into right now.

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Need help with 607 date & false prophet scr...

by Leander in

in about 2 or 3 weeks i'll be stepping down as a ms and leaving the wts for good.

but before i do so i'm trying to prepare some information in regards to the 607 date and numerous false prophecies (predictions).

in particular i was hoping someone could give me some information on the following:.

Leander

Thanks for all the replies everyone. All this research can be exhausting but I want to make sure I well prepared for every possible question and argument.