*** w80 11/15 p. 23 par.
4 jehovah of armies to the rescue!
the fact that today we do not have a vast water canopy suspended high up in space and all around our globe and thus blocking direct sunlight, moonlight and starlight is because jehovah saw what was going on down here upon his terrestrial footstool and took action.
2 peter 3:1-7
really suprised nobody mentioned it in the midst of this conversation.
somehow peter knew about this... probably from jesus.
just throwing it out there.
i believe in the firmament.
we will have to wait to find out who is right because there is only scriptures to go by right now.....
in genisis 11:6 jehovah appears to be worried that mankind will be able to do anything they desire.
did jehovah scatter men and use different languages as a controlling measure to make us dependent on him?
what happened to freewill?
i noticed nobody mentions the referances to the tower of babel from "The Book of Jasher".
lots more details on the building and the event. LOTS MORE.....
and that book should be in the bible as it was referenced as a source to validate the sun standing still for joshua.
i think the book claimed that it was a full days walk around the base of the tower.something pretty extreme like that... i havent read it in a while...
if god has instructions for sincere people why can't he just tell us what they are in plain language?.
he could do that and some people would fall in line and others wouldn't.. if i was god, that's what i would do.. as a parent, that's what i do with my kids.. i am so tired of all the guesswork..
islam, jew and christian all have the same god.
it all goes back to abraham.
and as far as i can tell, abraham's god is the almighty god. the one who created everything.
the one whose side you want to be on. the winners side.
abraham had 2 kids. one founded judiasm and the other islam.
try reading the quran. suprising information in there.
i believe everyone that was a jdub and found out the sham and got out was chosen by god.
what you choose to do once you are released from the mind control is your new test. are you angry with god or are you thankful to him for releasing YOU and for some reason, not the others.
and if he did choose you, why are YOU so special?
i'm sure the jdub annointed ones are frauds, so who are the "elect" ones spoken of in scripture?
research will connect all the loose ends that are troubling you.
wasn't the answer to this question wrapped up in a neat little package when you were young?
it was easily explainable and it made you feel so warm inside that you knew that god felt passionately bad about the suffering and that it was going to stop.. there is so much pain in this world.
people are starving, people are being torchered by others who have lost their minds, there is endless suffering on this planet.
@strymeckirules
the test is - will a human do what's right in any given situation.
So wickedness exists to test humans. Does that mean that the little girl who's kidnapped, raped and murdered is being tested? Or what about the little boy who is starving and dying of disease? Is he being tested? It just doesn't make sense.
you need to expand your reasoning ability.
for your first example, the little girl's problems are a result of the kidnappers failure to make correct decisions leading to the rape and murder. the girl is a innocient victim. she never chose her ending. it was chosen for her.
and the second example of the little boy starving and diseased, is it his fault or is it his parents fault for bringing in a child they are not able to care for? or the leaders of that country for not supplying food and medical aid. it's not the boy's test. it's everyone around that boys test to help him. or they could choose to turn a blind eye.
will a human do what's right without screwing over another human? the golden rule.
wasn't the answer to this question wrapped up in a neat little package when you were young?
it was easily explainable and it made you feel so warm inside that you knew that god felt passionately bad about the suffering and that it was going to stop.. there is so much pain in this world.
people are starving, people are being torchered by others who have lost their minds, there is endless suffering on this planet.
the world is an big lab test.
it is also a big legal case.
there are 7 billion people alive today. each one is running out his life. and each life is different.
so there are so many different situations that a human can be put into that will test him or her.
each person chooses what they will do in any situation.
the test is -
will a human do what's right in any given situation.
will he follow the rules given, or will he make his own rules.
your choice shows your mental capacity and your heart condition.
and to keep the experiment completely random, god has had to step back and not prove he exists.
he knows that there are those certain individual that have a spiritual thirst for knowledge. ones like Abraham.
but if he were to prove himself to us, we would all side with god whether we love him or not because we would want to prolong our lifes. that's why he is silent right now. to see who really want to find him. to find the ones with faith.
the legal case is -
satan knows he's gonna be destroyed. and he hates humans. he does not want us to be friends with god. he want to take you down with him.
he accused man of only serving god out of selfishness. only serving him for the good things he gives back.
so god said okay, i'll disappear for a while and i bet you that humans will still want to serve me.
and here we are. still trying to figure him out.
god has faith in us. or else he would have gotten rid of the humans long ago. he's just looking for his best ones right now. those are the ones he draws close to.
growing up jw, the elders in my congo never wasted an opportunity to remind the youth in my congo that we should always endeavor to do what is correct in gods eyes, not what the world considers to be popular.
this would cover just about every subject (clothing, music, sports, entertainment, etc.)..
however, when it comes to the one thing that should probably matter the most to all jay dubs (correctly pronouncing gods name), popularity takes precedence over correctness.
if you were in a croud of people and you saw your friend Mike, but you yelled "MARK", do you think old buddy mike is gonna turn around to talk to you?
i think it's pretty important to know what you are saying. especially when whoever calls upon the name of ...... will be saved.
and yes we should be calling jesus by his proper hebrew name to seperate him from the pagan christmas jesus.
and no we don't get to make god's name sound better by putting "j" in it. better to who?
i think if you were to ask people who their heavenly father is, they'd say "God".
i think if you were to ask people who jehovah is - not so much.
i have a question.
if jws are a cult, what is the motivation of the leaders?
what are they getting out of controlling all these people?.
if god is real then the devil is real.
it's kind of like an adult imaginary land.
so the bible says if anyone adds or changes ONE WORD, then all the curses in the book fall upon their heads.
i think that topic is damning enough. their NWT bible is littered with nonsense.
also the bible says your enemy will appear as an angel of light.
so the jdubs are run by the same bunch of demons that started all thoses cults around the end of the 1800's.
they need prisoners and soldiers to advance satan's war.
all jdub's are guilty by blashpemy.
they are all willing martyrs.
this is about taking out humans. satan was a manslayer from the beginning.
it's only fair that the psychology of apostates be assessed as they're intent on analyzing the psychology of jehovah's witnesses.
http://www.freeminds.org/psychology/mind-control/mind-control-or-brainwashing.html .
understanding mind control among jehovah's witnesses.
you seem to be confusing the term "apostate" with somebody turning their back on god and his rules.
the scriptures you quote suggest one who turns his back on god and breaks his laws.
an apostate is one who rejects any doctrines proposed by MAN. different type of person.
you might be thinking of an atheist.
so as long as you want to follow your "MEN", we faithful will be waiting for god and following his rules.
you are still not doing a good job witnessing here.
and your avatar is stumbling me to never join your society of men.
noah probably had the first and second book of adam and eve and enoch's books to read.
it's also probably the only reason we have these books today...
looks like gadhafi is about to get a pounding... any minute now.
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/19/obama-international-coalition-prepared-act-urgency-libya/
according to my shia muslim friend,
the conflict is about the shia's being the majority and the sunni's in control of the government.
the shia's are the rule obiding muslims. they are peaceful and follow the Quran.
the sunni's are the bad boys. they have attempted to bend or break the rules of Islam.
the whole thing is just like true christianity verse false christianity.
like the catholics verse the protestants.
or the jews verses jesus.
the epic battle of good verse evil.
god's rules verses man's rules.
