Can you tell me what '79 Watchtower had the quote about taking a brother to court. It would be very helpfull. Thanks
LFitzwater
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The Right to Know
by ozziepost inan intriguing aspect of the child abuse scandal among jehovah's witnesses is why don't the wts want these offenses reported in the first instance to the police?
why is it that other offenses, such as fornication, adultery or theft, are dealt with publicly and usually swiftly, why is the matter of child abuse treated differently?
why is it that the borg's procedures ensure that the crimes against silent lambs are kept hidden from the authorities?
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Silentlambs March: Controversal Idea?
by Nanoprobe inthis is a controversial post because it relates to your personal grooming & dress.
problem: jr brown & watchtower have managed to create an image problem for bill bowen & silentlambs.
in jw land he isn't a victims advocate, he is simply a deceitful apostate.
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LFitzwater
A Friend of mine mentioned that someone here said they would love for me to attend the Silent Lambs March. TRUST ME, I would love to go but there is no way I could afford to do it. My heart will be there though, with all those that show up. I believe fully in what Bill is doing! There have been a lot of us out here for years wanting something to be done. Bill has put his time and energy into getting our voices heard. He connected me to Rich Greenberg of Dateline and because of that I was given a bigger forum to tell my story. There are so many stories out there like mine. The more we tell our stories, the more people will hear, and the more children will be spared. I am planning to send a letter to Bill that he can take with him. I have NEVER had any interest in going to NY until now. I prefer my small town and no crowds. But I would surely go if I could! I would love to stand up in front of the orginazation that kicked me out because they said that I was a "danger to the congergation". Back then I was not speaking out. I was trying to get it handled through the elders and the org. They decided to DF me because they thought it would shut me up. THEY WERE WRONG! And I have a much stronger and more confident voice now. I would love to see Mario Mareno face to face and ask him why he lied directly to my husband as I listened in. I would love to hold the documents of proof in front of him. Legal court documents as well as letters from the WTS that PROVE they are liars! Instead, I will send what I can to Bill and let him use what he wants.
As far as me not posting here much....I do love being here and being involved, but I have 2 kids (11 & 13) , a wonderful husband, a full-time job and some medical problems. It is very hard to keep up. My evenings and weekends are spent with my family, which is very important to me as well. I want to help and will help with this cause as much as I can, but I can't neglect my family in the process. Thankfully, they are very supportive.
I am very glad that my story has helped others. My e-mail is open to any who would like to chat. I try to check my mail at least every couple of days. I am more than willing to share my expierences and hear others. Also, if there is anyway I can help with anything that comes up, I would love to help. Feel free to e-mail me and I will pop in. [email protected]
Sincerely,
Laurie Fitzwater
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Moving!! Who lives in the Denver area??
by DanielHaase inyes, i know, long time no post!
but anyway, i'm finally moving out of mississippi.
i took a job at children's hospital in denver and would love to know if any of you guys live in the denver area.
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LFitzwater
I live about 3 hours west of Denver.
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Mass Mailing
by LFitzwater ini was thinking that i could print up th transript of dateline with the picture of dan fitzwater and send it to all the people that knew him in fl.
his case broke in nevada, but i was forbidden to talk to people that knew him in fl.
by the time i realized i should say something i was dfed.i thought about heading it with something like dan fitzwater exposed as a child abuser on dateline.
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LFitzwater
Bradenton and Sarasota. The Bradenton Harold would hit the most people that know him. What a good Idea....
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Mass Mailing
by LFitzwater ini was thinking that i could print up th transript of dateline with the picture of dan fitzwater and send it to all the people that knew him in fl.
his case broke in nevada, but i was forbidden to talk to people that knew him in fl.
by the time i realized i should say something i was dfed.i thought about heading it with something like dan fitzwater exposed as a child abuser on dateline.
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LFitzwater
I was thinking that I could print up th transript of Dateline with the picture of Dan Fitzwater and send it to all the people that knew him in Fl. His case broke in Nevada, but I was forbidden to talk to people that knew him in FL. By the time I realized I should say something I was DFed.I thought about heading it with something like Dan Fitzwater exposed as a child abuser on Dateline.
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Charles Russell a Chid Molester?
by LFitzwater ini recall reading a couple years back, some court documents posted on an ex-jw site that stated that charles taze russell was accused by his wife (at their divorce hearing) of sexually abusing a girl that they had taken in to their home.
does anyone have any information on this?
or know where i can find this again?
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LFitzwater
I recall reading a couple years back, some court documents posted on an ex-JW site that stated that Charles Taze Russell was accused by his wife (at their divorce hearing) of sexually abusing a girl that they had taken in to their home. Does anyone have any information on this? Or know where I can find this again?
Thanks for anything you can do to help.
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Charles Russell a Child Molester?
by LFitzwater ini recall reading a couple years back, some court documents posted on an ex-jw site that stated that charles taze russell was accused by his wife (at their divorce hearing) of sexually abusing a girl that they had taken in to their home.
does anyone have any information on this?
or know where i can find this again?
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LFitzwater
I recall reading a couple years back, some court documents posted on an ex-JW site that stated that Charles Taze Russell was accused by his wife (at their divorce hearing) of sexually abusing a girl that they had taken in to their home. Does anyone have any information on this? Or know where I can find this again?
Thanks for anything you can do to help.Laurie Fitzwater
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Dateline Fitzwater Letter-"Two Witnesses
by silentlambs inthe following is a letter written from the service department regarding the molestation of the step daughter of daniel fitzwater.
in the dateline program daniel fitzwater was shown by correspondence from a circuit overseer to have molested 17 jw children who unfortunately did not have two eye-witnesses for each incident.
thus brother fitzwater went to prision and remains in prision as a jw in "good standing".
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LFitzwater
I would like to add that in the Dan Fitzwater case (And I have direct knowledge as I am his daughter-in-law) the the WTS had a legal representative present at his criminal trial in which four victims testified against him for abuses that accured repeatedly and over a period of 24 years. I believe, although I can't be positive, that the representative was Mario Mareno himself. The letter from the WTS was in response to my husbands letter AFTER the trial and AFTER his father was in prison. My husband asked why after being convicted and having these witnesses against him, why was Dan still not DFed. The letter posted above was the response. They absolutely knew of the 4 victims and they also had themselves a record of 17 victims. (this probably included the 4 we knew of because each of them had gone to the elders previous to this and got no help) I provided to dateline a circuit overseers letter to the WTS that talked about the 17 victims. The WTS society had to turn this letter over as discovery to the DA. They to this day have refused to name the victims claiming ecclesiatical privledge. The courts upheld their privledge. They say publicly that if there is more than one witness to the same type of crime they CAN use it as evidence. The key word is CAN. The problem is they DON'T.
Laurie
PS: in response to the above post, my husband was not himself sexually abused by his father. His step-sister was. My husband told the elders and the WTS that he witnessed his father going into the bathroom with his step-sister while she showered, on may occasions. up until the age of 15 when she was removed by social services. He said he was shaving and it was years later that my husband realized that this was not normal behavior. My husband fought to get his father removed from the congergation. This was when he and his sister were now in their early 30's.He was fighting for just that at the time his father was molesting another girl in the hall. An 8 year old that tried to kill herself later at the age of 10. My husband was even set to testify against his father, but there was SO much evidence against him that the DA decided they did not need his testimony. -
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Two Witnesses to WHAT !!!
by jst2laws ini have asked this question on another thread but want to bring it to everyone's attention.
the wt society is trying to make it look as if they have always handled molestation aggressively and that very little change has been required, only 'strengthening' their policy over the years.
two witnesses to separate incidents of the same kind of wrongdoing.
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LFitzwater
I would like to add that in the Dan Fitzwater case (And I have direct knowledge as I am his daughter-in-law) the the WTS had a legal representative present at his criminal trial in which four victims testified against him for abuses that accured repeatedly and over a period of 24 years. I believe, although I can't be positive, that the representative was Mario Mareno himself. The letter from the WTS was in response to my husbands letter AFTER the trial and AFTER his father was in prison. My husband asked why after being convicted and having these witnesses against him, why was Dan still not DFed. The letter posted above was the response. They absolutely knew of the 4 victims and they also had themselves a record of 17 victims. (this probably included the 4 we knew of because each of them had gone to the elders previous to this and got no help) I provided to dateline a circuit overseers letter to the WTS that talked about the 17 victims. The WTS society had to turn this letter over as discovery to the DA. They to this day have refused to name the victims claiming ecclesiatical privledge. The courts upheld their privledge. They say publicly that if there is more than one witness to the same type of crime they CAN use it as evidence. The key word is CAN. The problem is they DON'T.
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About Daniel Fitzwater-Exposed on Dateline
by LFitzwater inthis is a very long story that i will try to condense.
it will still probably be too long.
life is good for us now that we know the real truth.
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LFitzwater
I replied to you under a new thread under ABUSE & Lofty & Judgemental?