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  Creative Disassociation

  by hillary_step in

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  well, you have to admit it most da letters are boring.

  especially so are the ones that contain 15-20 pages full of quotes from the golden age of march 15th 1917, or an obscure reference to a slip of the pen made by some overworked and knackered out member of writing.. lets be honest, most xjw's do not read past the first few paragraphs, but we all expect our letters will be read by the wts or its representatives, analysed and then responded to.

  the reality is that they are rapidly scanned for 'juicy bits' and dumped into a bin marked, 'oh, god not another one!..

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  Liberated

  Hi Hillary Step,

  I think I knew they wouldn't read a long one. Your post confirms it.
  But maybe I should have tried to make them laugh...

  There are a few phrases of Russell's in there borrowed from the letter he sent when he disassociated from his fellow editor; however, I doubt they made the connection.

  Your levity is appreciated. Larc and Mr Ben made good points, and Farkel's was as succinct as ever.

  Good advice to readers on the verge....make it short and leave them laughing when you go.

  Libby
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  'Questions From Readers'

  by Outaservice in

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  dear brothers,.

  we jehovah's witnesses number into the millions.. when my watchtower came in the mail the first thing i looked at was 'questions from the readers' as i felt this would be where 'new light' would probably be found.. lately, i've noticed that there are not too many issues have any questions from readers.

  how could this possibly be, with millions of us?

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  Liberated

  Hi Outaservice,

  You didn't really think those questions were from readers did you?

  Ray Franz talks about issues that came up and the GB would decide to put in a question from readers all on their own.

  Libby
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  Creative Disassociation

  by hillary_step in

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  well, you have to admit it most da letters are boring.

  especially so are the ones that contain 15-20 pages full of quotes from the golden age of march 15th 1917, or an obscure reference to a slip of the pen made by some overworked and knackered out member of writing.. lets be honest, most xjw's do not read past the first few paragraphs, but we all expect our letters will be read by the wts or its representatives, analysed and then responded to.

  the reality is that they are rapidly scanned for 'juicy bits' and dumped into a bin marked, 'oh, god not another one!..

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  Liberated

  Hi HS,

  I like the ones here better than the one I sent.
  However is was short (and serious) and I don't mind reproducing it here.

  Kingdom Hall of Jehovah Witnesses
  xxxxxxxxxxxxx Congregation
  xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Presiding Overseer
  xxxx xxxxxx xxxx Road
  xxxx xxxxxx, CA xxxxx

  Dear xxxxxx,

  This letter, I pray, will help to explain my absence from activity for the WTBTS and to request that my name be dropped from membership in the xxxxxxx xxxx congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. There are teachings that I do not agree with and cannot reconcile with our Father's word, which teachings I would be required to believe and teach were I to remain a member of the WTBTS. Knowing that disassociation brings the same censure as disfellowshiping, I view these restrictions as binding only on members of the Society and not on me.
  While it is my desire to discontinue activity for the WTBTS, I do not view this as a discontinuance of my association with people I know and love. How they choose to react to me is their choice. Nor is this a discontinuance of belief in and obedience to Jehovah God and his Son Christ Jesus, our Lord and redeemer. Far from it! My love for God our Father, who desires that we worship him in spirit and truth, and love for our savior Jesus, who said he is the only way to the Father, brings me to this decision in my life.
  Is there any teaching of the Society that I could disagree with and still remain? I believe the answer to that is "No"; therefore, I will not go into the difference of view that has arisen as to the teaching of our Father's word.
  I pray that peace will be yours and that Jehovah will keep watch over you and your loved ones.
  Sincerely yours,
  Libby
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  Your best (one sentence) description of the WT

  by moman in

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  here iz mine:.

  #1) "a cancer of the soul".

  #2) "a fools paradise".

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  Liberated

  "I bear them witness that they have a certain zeal and enthusiasm for God, but it is not enlightened and according to correct and vital knowledge....for being ignorant of the righteousness that God ascribes which makes one acceptable to Him in word, thought, and deed and seeking to establish a righteousness (a means of salvation) of their own, they did not obey or submit themselves to God's righteousness."

  A stiff-necked people

  Libby
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  WHY WTS UNJOINED UN.

  by Pureheart in

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  hey yall,.

  there have been much response to the wts being involved with the un and i could not read all of the posts.

  if i am addressing something that have already been addressed please excuse me.. i think that they pulled because the president of the usa asked everyone to set up a program of assistance for all of the victims and their families of the wtc disaster.

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  Liberated

  Okay, here's another opinion.

  They got found out and decided to withdraw and engage in as much damage control as they could by saying it was just for the library card and that the UN changed the requirements for NGO's (which they didn't, but what jw is going to challenge them let alone check it out?), requirements which went against their "Christian" beliefs.

  They actually state that they are thankful for it being brought to their attention....thankful to "apostates" I wonder?

  They know their members are anxious for any explanation, it doesn't matter what.

  Libby
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  ExJw And Abortions

  by tyydyy in

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  we all know the jw view of abortion before leaving but what about now?

  how have your views changed?

  i used to secretly cheer when i heard that women had gained more rights concerning abortions.

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  Liberated

  I have the same view of abortion that I did before, during, and
  after being a jw.....I don't want to be the one to tell someone
  they have to give birth to their father's child or a rapist's child,
  or to allow a pregnancy to end their life.

  But I believe those are maybe 1% of the reasons why abortions are
  performed, and the most common is that it's not a convenient time to
  have a child. So it's become a form of birth-control anyway, and I'm
  not in favor of that.

  As far as taking a life, yes, it is ending a life.

  Libby
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  jw's just at my door

  by beepers in

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  i still am newly inactive (5 months).

  i just moved to a new area, feeling pretty good about things.

  finding out about myself and what i want from life for me and my daughter.. today my door bell rang.

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  Liberated

  Good for you, Amy; I envy you being able to do it and that
  you are able to get your daughter away from wts influence.

  Keep doing it. They may not say anything to you but they just
  might feel the same way I did when I first came on-line and
  found out all the information about the org....that the people
  we were calling on knew more about the workings of the GB than
  those of us still hawking their publications door to door.

  One example was the shake up at the annual meeting last year
  when the GB resigned from the Board of Directors, etc. I found
  out about it on the internet and told other jw's.

  I disassociated last February. I still have family in. Not
  everyone shuns me...some do, some don't.

  Libby
  When the Son sets you free, you are free indeed!!
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  NOT WAITING ANYLONGER

  by jst2laws in

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  exactly one year ago three other families joined us at our vacation home for a week of relaxation and stimulating conversation.

  of the four men, three were elders and the other a ministerial servant.

  together these four had 116 years as appointed servants.

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  Liberated

  Hi Waiting,

  My daughters are teen-agers. All their friends still in the org so
  there is a pull there; but they are in positions to make friends
  elsewhere now. And they can see the change in me.

  Libby
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  NOT WAITING ANYLONGER

  by jst2laws in

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  exactly one year ago three other families joined us at our vacation home for a week of relaxation and stimulating conversation.

  of the four men, three were elders and the other a ministerial servant.

  together these four had 116 years as appointed servants.

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  Liberated

  Jst2laws: I could have used a brother like you last year, but how
  would I have known you? There may have been those in my own
  congregation feeling as you do, but we would never have felt free
  enough to talk. The few who called me after I stopped going to
  meetings (10/17/00) were wts through and through. I tested the
  water a bit with them then backed away when they spouted the org
  line.

  I disassociated last February (announced in March); my reasoning
  may have been faulty but I wanted to set the example for my
  daughters and show them life outside the wts. My younger daughter
  has researched cults on the internet all on her own and told me
  the other day the wts is a cult, it fits the profile of one. My
  older daughter has decided to stop pioneering for a while and go
  to college. I see these as positive steps toward thinking for
  themselves.

  All I ever told them was what I told the PO in my DA letter..I no
  longer agree with everything the wts teaches. It doesn't matter
  what it is that I disagree with because there isn't anything one
  can disagree with and still remain a member. The latest on
  disagreement came out in an article this past summer...you are not
  to even harbor thoughts that are in disagreement with the fds.

  The scriptural foundation that I want for my daughters is faith
  in Christ Jesus and I taught them that long before we were sucked
  into the wts cult.

  I pray you have success in your endeavors.

  Libby
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  From a Jw to an Elk within a year.

  by rekless in

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  i daed myself then was dfed then was sponcered into the elks lodge.. i now pledge alegence to my country again pray for our leaders and help the poor and misfortunate of the city i live in which is las vegas , nevada, usa.. it feels good to ask some one how are you doing without having an alternative motive of placing literature.. i also joined the chamber of commerce for networking and community service.. we just went to our first breakfast at the elks lodge...guest what they were so friendly and put the jws to shame.

  there were not any chiques (clicks) or hypocracy.

  i didn't hear any bad mouthing of any members.

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  Liberated

  Sounds pretty good rekless!

  I helped conduct the flag placing on veterans' graves today.

  BTW, not that it matters any more, but how can you be df'd
  after you disassociated?

  Libby