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  "THE GLORIOUS ONES" WT TWISTING THE ...

  by ARoarer in

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  i have been reading from other bibles and comparing them to the wt.

  translation in the nwt and found it interesting that the information that they use in the reasoning book regarding apostates is taken from jude and the experience of korah with moses.

  it seems they use this scripture to identify elders as the "glorious ones", and anyone speaking against the society is compared to korah speaking against moses.

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  That Korah incident....

  Korah went against god's hands down rep. Moses had credentials to PROVE he was that mediator of old. Splitting seas, plagues, clouds floating over the tent whenever he went inside. I mean, who could dispute his appointment?

  Now, Christ is our hands down mediator. Christ had credentials to PROVE he was so. Voices from heaven, miracles, etc..After death, Paul heard from him, Stephen looked up and saw him, etc. There is no man or group of men equal. In fact, for the GB to say they are god's reps and no one can be approved without THEM means they deny the actual mediator and THEY are behaving just like Korah. Personally, I don't think JWs actually believe that Christ is the reigning King. Other than at Memorial time, who even knew he (Christ) existed?

  Remember when Jesus was riding into Jerusalem and the people cried out with praise and he said if they did not then the rocks would cry out? Truthfully, today, I'd rather listen to a rock than the GB. At least the rocks would have their story straight.
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  "THE GLORIOUS ONES" WT TWISTING THE ...

  by ARoarer in

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  2. friends

  i have been reading from other bibles and comparing them to the wt.

  translation in the nwt and found it interesting that the information that they use in the reasoning book regarding apostates is taken from jude and the experience of korah with moses.

  it seems they use this scripture to identify elders as the "glorious ones", and anyone speaking against the society is compared to korah speaking against moses.

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  JWs don't need Christ nor his angels. BTW, the holy spirit was fired by the JWs. As a matter of fact, with their words they deny Christ his glory and kingship. The angels aren't needed because the elders (glorious ones of JW lore) outrank them...Jesus has been replaced by the GB who are part of his mother, married to god but supposed to be the bride of the son and they bypass the son by saying god directly communicates with them.....confused yet?

  So what we have here is a soap opera of huge proportions. The GB claims to be mom but is supposed to be the son's fiancee but is higher than the son. The HS was terminated so that this sneakin around wouldn't be noticed for a while....and well some slutty behavior is afoot.

  Jah, GB, and the elders.

  Who says JWs dont believe in the trinity?
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  BIZARRO ARTICLE...LOONEY!!

  by nakedmvistar in

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  found this article on the net....i thought it to be the weirdest thing i have ever read.. by diana huston.

  i was a member of a mind control cult religion for 20 years.

  the religion is known as the watchtower bible and tract society, otherwise known as jehovah's witnesses.

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  I thought she was talking about an episode from the series "V".
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  Losing their best--Getting rid of good elders

  by VeniceIT in

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  in january of this year, a prominent elder resigned because he was criticized for continuing to talk to an inactive couple, who had been very close friends.

  this couple are being gossiped about, as being apostates, although no action has been taken, and no announcement.

  he didn't like the scrutiny on himself and his wife, and thought they were wrong to talk to him about this issue, so he resigned.

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  Ah Nathan, "it is better to be feared than to be loved."

  I thought the big E's were supposed to encourage those who are deemed, in JW name calling terms, "weak" and "inactive"...

  I must be mistaken.
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  M.T.S. Brothers

  by Black Man in

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  another avenue of service that the borg always tries to shove down the mouths of youth/single peeps is that of going to m.t.s.

  (ministerial training school).

  if bethel isn't your cup of tea, then m.t.s.

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  In fact this one brother, who I believe was a Bethel elder serving at his hall would say all the time that Bethelites should have been considered first for M.T.S. before any outsiders (outside of Bethel).

  It was interesting reading how supposed people who love the whole association of "brothers" consider one an "outsider" and did their utmost to ruin him.

  Truly telling how people in Bethel do not have those 'outside' best interests at heart...only their own. Why does anyone listen to those free ride ingrates?
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  Similar religions to JW

  by Quincy in

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  ok everyone....i have noticed that there are a few other religions out there similar to the jw's.....for example...i have a friend who has a sister that who belongs to a non-denominational christian church.....she feels that her church is the "only way" to god...and also too it seems as though she looks down on anyone who does not go to her church....they have weekly bible studies on monday or tuesday nights...they even have a "field service" in which they go out to neighbors trying to get them to come to that particular church....does anyone else out there know about the other ones similar to the jw?

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  2. The "end" will come within the lifetime of the "1844 generation" (Wow- thats familar! JWs say 1914 generation)

  3. The initial prediction of Christs return to rule the EARTH in 1844, later changed to an "invisible" presence in HEAVEN. (Same as the JWs only different year)

  Actually, those are the exact same dates Russell looked to before changing to 1914, 1915. There is no difference in the time chronology or concepts between the early JW's and Adventists.

  They're all from the same 'branch'.
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  If You Didn"t PREACH, YOU were BLOODGUILTY

  by minimus in

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  preaching, to a witness is the most important assignment that god gives.as a matter of fact, if you don't preach you are bloodguilty before god.if you don't cover the territory properly, you are bloodguilty.

  if you didn't keep proper records, you were bloodguilty.if you didn't do not-at-homes, you were bloodguilty.if you didn't return to talk to a return visit within the week, you were bloodguilty.

  obviously, we could never reach all persons with the "truth".

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  If preaching was held as the utmost import then there would be no Bethel. JR never went door to door and frankly neither has most of the GB. They confuse teaching those already in with preaching to those not in. They will not even condescend to having a conversation with a non-witness. They've lived ans stayed inside a sheltered building their entire lives....nothing like Paul, not even close to Christ. They're pretty bad examples if you ask me.

  THEY don't preach, why should anyone else? Guilt?, I think not.
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  Matthew 23 and the WTS

  by Lady Lee in

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  the following is a beginning to something i have been thinking about for a long time.

  any ideas or additional thoughts would be appreciated.

  lee.

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  Personally, I think the Pharasies thought God's standards weren't high/good enough....so they added their own just like the WTS does.

  ie. God says: Wash your hands before you eat.

  Pharasies say: Washing your hands isn't good enough, you must wash all the way up to your elbows.

  God says: Be neat and clean in appearance for worship.

  WTS says: Being neat and clean in appearance is not good enough, you must also wear a white shirt, tie, and suit coat. No beards and you must do your best not to resemble anyone outside of this place.

  Christ tells us: You will know my disciples by the love they have amoung one another.

  WTS says: We know Christ's disciples are only those who attend 5 meetings a week and turn in 10 hrs of field service. (15 min. exception for the elderly and infirm)

  Paul says: ref. to some saying they belonged to Apollos, some Paul, some Cephas, and some Christ seperately. Paul states, they should all speak in agreement as to being Christians and belonging only to Christ. Christ died for us, not Paul, Cephas, or Apollos.

  WTS says: Paul said we should all speak in agreement and never say something different than the GB. For the GB is our mediator and speaks for us. When they say jump, we ask how high...forget about Christ dying for you, you belong to the GB.

  Edited by - Lieu on 8 September 2002 18:12:42
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  My Watch Tower experience ..........

  by Tzu in

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  my watchtower experience ....... .

  i came out of the watchtower approx 4 years ago and so did my husband and younger son who at the time was an un-baptised publisher.

  hubby and myself were baptised.

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  People wha are cruel to animals have cruel hearts...they are sadistic in nature and definitely will not treat people any better.

  Serial killers have one thing in common....
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  local elder admits..........

  by heathen in

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  we don't know what jesus was doing during the period of 1914-1919. contrary to the wt doctrine an elder during tonights bookstudy for no apparent reason made this statement after the last paragraph for tonights book study was commented on .most unusuall don't you think?

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  People, claiming to be Christians, who base their entire faith in dates instead of in Christ, are a sad bunch.

  The GB reminds me of Saul. "We don't really know whats going to happen, I know, let's go ask the friends." Only they are referring to the Psychic "Friends" (Network).