Posts by Lieu

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JWs in denial, so sad

by Simon in

i had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.

i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.

apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".

Lieu

Luke 21:12-15 NETBut before all this, they will seize you and persecute you, handing you over to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and governors because of my name. [13] This will be a time for you to serve as witnesses. [14] Therefore be resolved not to rehearse ahead of time how to make your defense. [15] For I will give you the words along with the wisdom that none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.

Odd how they weren't given any words of wisdom that couldn't be contradicted at the ARC .... being Gods sole channel and all. Guess the HS didn't want anything to do with them hiding pedophiles. Best they got some lawyers and planned for their defense.

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Making fun of an elder, CO or GB'er, would it be considered brazen conduct or some other WT sin?

by oppostate in

would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?

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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.

Lieu

It really depends on how you make a funny and around whom.

You just have to be careful because seriously some really do think they are your rulers and you are their property to do with as they please. GB members are moonbats because they live in a whats pretty much a bubble in a secluded compound with tunnels and crap underneath.

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JW said they are unique

by StephaneLaliberte in

looking at a news article, i read the following:.

“that’s one thing that’s unique about jehovah’s people,” said marty mettler, a spokesman for the green bay convention.

“they even tell the hotels when they book they’re coming because some people book and don’t show.

Lieu

Yeah, yeah, and JWs in some African countries cross croc infested waters to get to an Assembly .... but so does everyone else there because that's the only way to town from the village. ☺

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Making fun of an elder, CO or GB'er, would it be considered brazen conduct or some other WT sin?

by oppostate in

would making fun of an elder, co or governing body member, be considered brazen conduct or some other wt sin, like apostasy?

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is it an actionable judicial matter, even?.

Lieu

1 Corinthians 4:6-8 NET

I have applied these things to myself and Apollos because of you, brothers and sisters, so that through us you may learn "not to go beyond what is written," so that none of you will be puffed up in favor of the one against the other. [7] For who concedes you any superiority? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you received it, why do you boast as though you did not? [8] Already you are satisfied! Already you are rich! You have become kings without us! I wish you had become kings so that we could reign with you!

^---Er, the opposite of this. They'd consider you making fun of the self proclaimed "glorious ones". They due tend to think a position makes them holier than everyone else and that they are ruling kings in the here and now. Or at the least they think you are their slave ... so you don't question or make fun, just OBEY.

Also, they consider themselves 'mother'. So i guess that makes them a queen, like Babylon the Great. This is not to say that next week this may all change.😉

Remember these men are easily butthurt, and they have elevated their word to be equal to God's. They have little humility. You might encounter a few problems, lol.

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New news item on JW.org: conscientious objection

by Anders Andersen in

will jehovah's witnesses protect freedom of conscience?

seon-hyeok kim is facing one of the greatest challenges of his life.

in early 2015, this 28-year-old husband and father appeared before a judicial committee on charges of apostasy because he is a conscientious objector against shunning.

Lieu

Heretic! Lol

How dare he stand up to religious 'teachers' and their over the top unscriptual rules which bear on his conscience.

However, we are glad that everyone else in Christendom has. They are to be appreciated for their efforts. Obeying God as ruler rather than men.

Those elders erred, they unlike the CO were patterning themselves after Christ. Forgive. Show mercy and love. Whilst the CO is only concerned with "company" rules and procedures; he could care less about the human aspect, his 'brother'.

A CO and the GB would have disfellowshipped Christ for healing a sick person on Sabbath. And what do you mean just washing your hands is enough? Go up to your elbows, show us your piety you rulebreaker! We speak for God! Rules and procedures over people. The complete opposite of Jesus.

JWs are quick to cite a country's conscientious objector law when it suits their needs but internally they have no such common law for members. The governments are better than they are with respect to human conscience.

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let it be resolved: The remnant can not be the generation of Mat. 24.

by prologos in

debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?

Lieu

What I find interesting is this.

At one time you couldn't own a copy of the Bible. That way RCC priests could tell you anything and you couldn't question it.

Now that anyone can own a Bible, you are told as a JW you can't understand it without a group of men interpreting it for you .... and you can't question them.

Even when the group of men keep opining that the Bible doesn't really mean what it says unless they think it means what it says whenever it says something ... and sometimes only part of what's being said.

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let it be resolved: The remnant can not be the generation of Mat. 24.

by prologos in

debating challenge: since the wt doctrine of the anointed generation must conform to bible teachings, and math 24 stipulates that the "generation " outlives "all these things" , and the anointed do not, how could they possibly be the generation, overlapping or not?

Lieu

Er, because "they" aren't "them". If they die before seeing "all these things occur", then they aren't part of 'what' they think they are. There's that nagging prerequisite of being alive from start to finish.

It's quite simple actually. Don't need anyone to inject upon or further translate anything Jesus said cause he was talking to fishermen, housewives, and regular everyday ancient people, not 21st century nuclear physicists.

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Jw want desperately to be shunned according to G no 4 pg 9

by poopie in

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jw strive to follow golden rule by treating others the way themselves would like to be treated so they want to be shunned because they shunn others.

Lieu

I want sacrifice not mercy! That's what Jesus actually said in JW minds when confronted about breaking "the rules". Go in the corner and be spoken to by no one!

How many months did the Prodigal's whoring boozing son have to wait to get back in his father's house after his father stopped shunning him? Oh wait ....

Shunning? Pffft! JWs don't pay attention to a darn thing Jesus said. Not too sure mentioning the Golden Rule would have much impact.

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New Bible, In Spanish.... Why taking so long?!

by Doubtfully Yours in

is it possible it's not like they initially said, that it was just having god's name added in places where it had been deleted, and that perhaps they're making more adjustments to it in order to fit our doctrine?.

come out with the freakin' new bible in spanish already!!!.

dy .

Lieu

Spaniards are like Paul, at times difficult to understand. 😆

Besides, trying to directly translate something from English to Spanish takes time as some things don't translate. Then it has to be translated from Spain Spanish to Latin American Spanish and it's many variations. Last someone has to figure out a translation for the Nicaraguans.😃

They have to go around changing all the vosotros and vais to ustedes for one thing.

Aguas!

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"Hope for what we do not see" - Review

by problemaddict 2 in

i give it 3 thumbs down.. the video starts with an ambulance in peru.

the ambulance people look at an id and a no blood card in spanish.. quick flash away to now and a happy family of a couple with 2 young boys.

all good kids it collages their everyday life, all centered around theocratic activities.

Lieu

I want sacrifice not mercy??? Sacrifice yourself.

When in hiding wear clothes that make you stick out like a sore thumb???? No tight pants.