Posts by lisaBObeesa

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Discussion involving my Dad & other long timers - Mood is definately different

by Doubting Bro in

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i've seen several posts relating to the mood among longtime jws here recently.

i thought i would add to that collection and recount a discussion i recently had with my dad and a small group of folks about his age.

quick background on the group:.

lisaBObeesa

Welcome, infpalex.

I'm so sorry to hear how your family is treating you.

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Needs help telling my mom that I dont want to be apart of her religion

by LovelyEunie in

i really don't know how to just tell my mom that i dont want to do be a jw, i mean i really shouldn't have to tell her if she'd actually pay attention to my attitude everytime she goes on a religious rant, but she chooses to stay blind and keeps making me go to that place and sit through meetings that i don't agree with on most occasions...i think that she thinks that if she keeps making me go then i'll miraculously have a change of heart and want to stay in (which will never happen).

i don't want to be disrepectful about it but since she obviously doesn't care about my feelings towards it, then why should i care if i hurt her feelings in the process, you know?

i just really don't know what to do, everytime i go to that place i feel fake because everthing they instruct us not to do, i've pretty much done it or will do it with no remorse, and i don't care either way.

lisaBObeesa

wow. A non-JW dad.

@Lovely ... its time to have a grown-up heart to heart with your dad, not a rebellious youth attitude, let him know how you feel, your concerns, issues with the organization, it isn't the life you want for yourself, get him on your side

yes. that.

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Needs help telling my mom that I dont want to be apart of her religion

by LovelyEunie in

i really don't know how to just tell my mom that i dont want to do be a jw, i mean i really shouldn't have to tell her if she'd actually pay attention to my attitude everytime she goes on a religious rant, but she chooses to stay blind and keeps making me go to that place and sit through meetings that i don't agree with on most occasions...i think that she thinks that if she keeps making me go then i'll miraculously have a change of heart and want to stay in (which will never happen).

i don't want to be disrepectful about it but since she obviously doesn't care about my feelings towards it, then why should i care if i hurt her feelings in the process, you know?

i just really don't know what to do, everytime i go to that place i feel fake because everthing they instruct us not to do, i've pretty much done it or will do it with no remorse, and i don't care either way.

lisaBObeesa

I moved out as soon as I turned 18 because my parents continued to control every single aspect of my life, including the JW stuff.

I remember well trying to spare my parents' feelings, and how my mom cried when I left, thinking I was going to be destroyed by God at the Big A.

It was very difficult.

And it was very difficult living on my own at 18, especially after living such a sheltered life. Oh I thought I had 'seen the world' with my high school double life, but really, I had no experience with life at all. It was a lot of freedom all at once. I admit I went a little nuts. (Watch out for that if you move out! It's easy to get into trouble!)

And it was really hard money-wise to stay afloat.

If there had been any way that I could have stayed at home and 'played the game' for a few years and gotten through college I would have done it. I wish I could have done it. But in my situation it would have been impossible to stay. My relationship with my parents was a disaster thanks to the Witness stuff.

But I was ok. I didn't get to finish school (I tried), but I survived. If you have to move out you will survive, too.

My advice to you is to try to play the game if you can. If your relationship with you mom is ok outside of the JW thing, I would try to buy myself a bit more time. Try to get through college! That will help you so much. Jumping out of the nest right now is possible, but it will have quite a $cost$ over your lifetime.

Also, if you try to stay, my advice is to not tell your mother that you don't believe in the Watchtower society or Jehovah's Witnesses. Instead, always say you are not sure that God really exists. JWs are really suprisingly ok with this and don't freak out quite as much with that kind of doubt. Just keep things really vague...'I'm not sure God is real' ....'I feel like a hypocrite going out in service when I'm not sure God is real....' 'how can God be real when so many people suffer in the world...it just doesn't make sense..." stuff like that. Leave the Organization out of it.... Of course you will get some preaching from them for a while, but maintain your uncertain stance and eventually they will let you be. As long as you don't question the Watchtower being the one true religion if there IS a God.

Good luck!

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Heeeers Johnny ! ...Johnny The mystery Bethelite returns and answers many questions. .

by koolaid-man in

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click link to original thread..... then click page 34 http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/204106/1/active-bethelite-calls-into-six-screens-conference-call-and-exposes-the-evils-of-the-watchtower.

lisaBObeesa

Like I said, there are only two reasons he couldn't answer the "stipend" question.

He said he's never gotten the stipened so he doesn't actually know the exact amount. He said that he and others from well-off families give up their stipends for others 'who need it more.'

There was no pause when he answered. His sounded very believable and the explaination is reasonable. And he was able to come up with a ballpark amount.

(I'm listening now.)

He sounds totally paranoid about the vaccuum cleaner. That doesn't make me doubt that Johnny is a real Bethelite...I would expect Bethelite in this sort of position to be paranoid, and maybe/probably overly so. But he could have a big legal case for that fall on their property, couldn't he?

To me the only part of the story that was hard to believe is when he said that Belthel said that they would only fill his perscription if he agreed to stay at Bethel. That is the only thing that really raised a red flag to me. If I could get on that call I would question him more on that. That just seems really...hard to believe. BUT, after listening back, I realize that it was Rick who said the word 'blackmail' not Johnny so perhaps what johnny was saying was missunderstood.?

I can't get on the call because the times are all wrong for me. So Rick, next time please ask Johnny to explain this thing with the medication a bit more. WHO exactly told him he couldn't get the perscription filled and what reason did they give? WHO later told him he COULD get the medication if he stayed at Bethel? Did that person say 'you can have your perscription if you agree to stay' (<--blackmail) or were they just saying 'We are only going to pay for filling this perscription if you are actually still a Bethelite. If you are leaving in a few days we are not wasting our money on you so we won't fill the perscription' (<--not blackmail).

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Idiot poisons 130 year old Oak trees over football rivalry...

by james_woods in

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20032936-504083.html.

the astonishing thing is that this moron was 62 years old....

lisaBObeesa

But, 10 yrs seems a bit much for killing one, or however many there were.

From my quick googling around it looks like a few 130 year old oak trees are worth at least $200,000 dollars.

How long should he go to jail for the malicious distruction of over $200,000 worth of property?

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Idiot poisons 130 year old Oak trees over football rivalry...

by james_woods in

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20032936-504083.html.

the astonishing thing is that this moron was 62 years old....

lisaBObeesa

These are very special trees.

This is terrible. WTH is wrong with this guy???

I hope this dumbass goes to jail for a good long time.

War Eagle

Hoping for a miracle...

-Lisa, the west coast Auburn fan of sorts...

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Feb. 15th WT - WT Society says DFed Ones are Lawless- Just Like Demons

by flipper in

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i would assume that some or a good number of us here as normal humans in this society - consider " lawless " actions to include murder , robbery, extortion, rape, child abuse, war , terrorism, etc.

the wt society has their own definition of what's considered " lawless ".

anything that's considered a disfellowshipping offense in the jehovah's witnesses is now considered " lawless ".

lisaBObeesa

We disfellowship (expel) those in whom we find their conduct to be reprehensible and unbecoming to a Christian. We also give public reproofs when necessary. We admonish those that promote non-Christian viewpoints, which is essentially tantamount to their 'promoting a sect.' (Titus 3:10) We shun those we disfellowship.

'We do not show Christian love. We do not even understand what love is. We make our faith invalid because of our tradition (Matt 15:4-9). Our 'fruits' are pain, suffering, and the distruction of families.'

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

lisaBObeesa

So, Lisa, what percentage of the time could I lie to you or misguide you, yet still maintain your trust? 25%? 50%? 95%?

SBC, there is more than one way to look at the Bible. There are many, many ways to look at the Bible.

Only fundamentalists say there is only one way (the literal way) to look at the Bible.

I look at it from a very liberal view. I have thrown all fundamentalism away.

I don't see that this book has lied to me or misguided me. I don't believe that most of it should be taken literally, and I don't believe that every part of the bible agrees with every other part and I don't believe that it must in order for it to be a book of God.

Of course I also believe there is more than one way to God.

Like I said, I look at it from a very liberal view.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

lisaBObeesa

But when He refered to OT accounts, He was stating them as if they were facts.

Or he was stating them as if they were storys that everyone knew and were familiar with.

There is more than one way to look at it.

For example, Santa Claus is a jolly, fat man in red. He comes around at Christmas time with gifts for good children.

Am I stating that as FACT?

Kinda. You see?

There is more than one way to look at things.

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What is your definition of a "Fundi" or a Fundamentalist?

by brotherdan in

i've been called a "fundi" many times in my discussions with people on the board, and i'd like to know what your definition is of a "fundi".

don't google it.

i just want to hear your personal definition.. i find it interesting because i don't go to any church.

lisaBObeesa

A non-fundamentalist Christian would say that these questions don't matter.

It doesn't just doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter if the flood was a real global flood or if it is a very old story of a huge local flood that the people thought to be a global flood or if it is just an old story, period.

And it doesn't matter if a Christian believes it was a literal global flood or not.

It just doesn't matter.

It doesn't change the teachings of Christ one bit.