Posts by Shanagirl

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I wonder...

by braincleaned in

i wonder about why so many of us stick to the "truth" within the frame of the jehovah's witness religion.. of course, the wts has authority over our minds thru the control of information, demonizing any "worldly" knowledge that might jeopardize our faith in this entity.. thru my own experience, i understand how we can stick to this organization; because of a life's investment in serving, and the close ties of family and peers we do not wish to abandon or upset.

so we are here on sites like these, to understand the mechanisms of the cult... to try to make sense of why we should stay, or why we should leave.. the consequences are too important to take this lightly, or too swiftly.. if i may share a bit of my journey, i did not have to worry too much about the cult at first, because my main battle was based deeper than that.

after all, the root of any christian religion is in the bible itself; faith in jehovah and christ; trust in the idea that the bible is inspired by god himself.. so yes, my quest went to the base, the root of the jw faith... the bible.. since childhood, the character of jehovah was a problem for me.

Shanagirl

Braincleaned

When I first left that religion, I reasoned that they were not Christians acting with Christian principals of behavior towards one another nor towards those outside the cult. I felt I could still leave and maintain a relationship with Jehovah. But after a period of time I began to realize I was not praying because it felt abnormal to pray to Jehovah. I didn't want to pray to Jehovah because being away from the KH made me feel eventually I didn't like the god they worshipped. I believed he was a cruel mean vindictive arrogant entity, and not the True God and Father Jesus spoke of in the NT. I've come to feel a lot of the OT was stories that were borrowed and embellished from ancient mythology, the writers did not entirely explain all things tru. And so the Jehovah Yahweh god of he Israelites seemed more and more like foreign gods worshipped in surrounding cultures. So now I;m confortable praying to God our Heavenly Father who Jesus spoke of not to Jehovah who Jesus never spoke about.

Shana

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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.

on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?

not exactly working out for you guys.

Shanagirl

An average of five Kingdom Halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of Bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million Bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where Jehovah's Witnesses have a presence, etc.. Need I go on?

On the other hand........... Crisis of Conscience, FreeMinds, The AWAA, Jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........IDK Six Screens or something? Not exactly working out for you guys. Acts 5:38, 39 come to mind.

Stand for Pure Worship

So what is your point? Comparing them to an organized religion is like comparing apples to oranges. Jehovahs Witnesses Watchtower is a mind effing cult that runs on lies and orgnaizes and builds with free labor. CoC, FreeMinds, AWAA, Jw.net, IDK Six Screens, is merely meant as a place to encourage and enlighten those who choose to leave WT or have become seriously victimized by WT. A support system with the freedom to discuss things that were forbidden by WT. Oh and by the way, WT is not pure worship and does not have the Truth, They only claim they do, but we all know better that to believe that snare and a racket.

Shana

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Sheep and Goats

by ctrwtf in

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i'm lucky enough to live in a part of the us that many would call "pastoral.

" true to the label, i pass a small farm on the way to talking my daughter to school each day.

the other day i notice the owners had their small flock of sheep out to pasture along witha black goat.. for some reason i had a flashback to all the references the society uses re sheep, other sheep, sheeplike and goatlike etc.

Shanagirl

I think the sheep and goats get the bum wrap. The poor sheep are thought of as simple mindless, clueless, blind followers, and the goats seem like the evil mean subborn disobedient Jehovah killers. Actually, being involved in the equestrian world wih my horses at horse shows and barns I got to know that sometimes when a rider had a "hot' difficult horse, the trick was to keep a goat in the stall with the excitable horse, especially before a jumping show, because something about the goat kept the horse calm and content to be in teh same stall with the goat. anyway, goats are cool.

Shana

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Jehovah's Witnesses worship the GOLDEN CALF

by Terry in

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moses led enslaved jews out of bondage in egypt to promised reward.. moses went up on the mountain (sinai) and the people waited, ran out of faith and made an idol (golden calf) to worship.. those people thought they needed a centralized worship focused on the visible.

they constructed their own.. the last centralized focus of worship, the temple in jerusalem, brought jews from everywhere to focus on one location.. when that was destroyed, they scattered and ran for the hills.. the true believers who replaced the jews (spiritual jews) banded together and concocted the church universal (catholic).

to centralize a theocratic government.

Shanagirl

Terry,

You are exactly right!! I said this a few years ago to some elders in the Judcial Committee. I told them they were worshipping their "Golden Calf" the Watchtower Governing Body, and Organization. I've always said that to other JWs. It's so obvious. They like to accuse those that question as being like Korah, but they don't get that it is acutally they who are the ones that have apostasized by making their own "Golden Watchtower"

Shana

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John Lennon: Imagine.....

by confusedandalone in

there's no heaven...... it's easy if you try.... i am not a huge fan of the beatles, not a fan of john lennon really either.

however, this song is one that i think most people tend to like for its airy feel and sentiment.

the funniest thing to me is how the opening 9 words of this song really really really make one think about belief.. honestly for one second trying to imagine there is no heaven, it is easy if you try.

Shanagirl

WE CAN'T SEEeeeeeee

Duh, I know we can't see. But we know it's there. We can't see other dimensions but we know they exist. I liked John Lennon's music and he was a deep thinker and I know he was very spiritual in many ways even though he knew religion was a racket. Shana

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John Lennon: Imagine.....

by confusedandalone in

there's no heaven...... it's easy if you try.... i am not a huge fan of the beatles, not a fan of john lennon really either.

however, this song is one that i think most people tend to like for its airy feel and sentiment.

the funniest thing to me is how the opening 9 words of this song really really really make one think about belief.. honestly for one second trying to imagine there is no heaven, it is easy if you try.

Shanagirl

I just can't image there is no heaven. There are so many realms, and dimensions in the universe.

Red rose

Shana

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A one sentence reply that could jolt a JW

by HBH in

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my mind was wandering last night, and i though of this as a reply to a jw.. "oh, your the people who believe 8 men in brooklyn, ny are directing the world's only true religion.".

the sentence is a fact that they can't deny, but clearly shows delusion.

any other one sentence "stingers"?.

Shanagirl

Oh' Armageddon, right? Doesn't Deutaronomy 18:22 say when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord , if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Shana

Red rose

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Marriage In The New World

by Cold Steel in

okay, here's the issue.

some people, even some jws, believe that in the new world they will be reunited with their spouses.

jesus, however, said that in the resurrection there would be no marriage or giving in marriage.

Shanagirl

Why would one have to worry about whether or not they would marry? Especially if there is no marriage or ones given in marriage. Since that is a fleshly and organic point of view, and our spirit will return back to God, obviously there are other abodes to look forward to in the Father's Kingdom that is not fleshly or earthly. Another realm another dimension, no longer tied to matter and chaos on this earth. The JW's would have all believe the same thing Satan told Eve, oh no you won't die, you will be just like god and live forever here in paradise, Really?? Don't think so,

Red rose Shana

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Jesus sacrifice and animal sacrifice contradiction

by trackregister99 in

romans 3:25 says that jesus sacrifice was applied to the past for sins forgives.. then why god request animals sacrifice like "shadow of the good things to come" (hebrews 10:1) if the jesus sacrifice forgive sins to the past.. the animal blood not have none value, because jesus sacrifice was applied to the past.. why sacrificies for forgive of sins was requested by god if romans 3:25 says that jesus forgive the sins to the past?..

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Shanagirl

Cold Steel Asked:

And just who is this "True God" you're referring to? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, even people who believe the earth is flat; however, historically the facts are against you.

When discussing theology, there are people who believe that God made man in his own image, after his likeness. And he gave commandments to mankind through prophets, and people freely decided to comply with God's will and receive knowledge through revelation. Then there are the people who create God in their image. They decide God must be like them, have their political and social beliefs and values and, alas, it's difficult to discuss anything with them because their opinions are not based in historic facts.

True God is

The Perfect, Invisible Spirit and Feminine Aspect

Much of what we know before the creation of the material world and Adam, can be found in the text, titled The Apocryphon of John (Secret Book of John), is a revelation of Jesus to John, son of Zebedee, who was said to have written this down.

In the beginning there was only one invisible Spirit True God– perfect, pure, holy, immaculate, ageless and virgin. He was the Ineffable One. He is neither corporeal, nor incorporeal. He is invisible because no one can see him, yet he emanated pure, immeasurable light. He is indestructible and eternal. Jesus revealed whom the real Supreme Being or Heavenly Father (in the New Testament), as the First Aeon, and The God. In this text, he was mostly referred to the Invisible Spirit" or "Holy Spirit". In the Apodcryphon Books, he is called the "Great, Invisible Spirit". For the sake of convenient, I will call him Father or Spirit True God.

The Apocryphon of John Davies translation

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Jesus sacrifice and animal sacrifice contradiction

by trackregister99 in

romans 3:25 says that jesus sacrifice was applied to the past for sins forgives.. then why god request animals sacrifice like "shadow of the good things to come" (hebrews 10:1) if the jesus sacrifice forgive sins to the past.. the animal blood not have none value, because jesus sacrifice was applied to the past.. why sacrificies for forgive of sins was requested by god if romans 3:25 says that jesus forgive the sins to the past?..

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Shanagirl

IMO blood sacrifice was a practice that was never demanded by the True God. It was a practice that ancient Jews adopted from other surrounding cultures in their god worship and attributed to their Yahweh god. The spilling of blood is not from True God, but demanded by lesser dark gods that were worshipped.

JW's today still follow blood sacrifice in their worship to their Jehovah god thru blood transfusions. It's a sick ungodly practice the killing of life for blood to appease a god that I believe is nothing more that ancient ritualism passed down and has nothing to do with what the True and Loving God would demand. In fact the True God demands no service from mankind, rather that man serve one another in love. That is the principle of what Christ spoke of. The law of love.

Shana