i hope to send this letter today although i must seriously consider the consequences if i do.. please let me know if i got the ngo info right.. dear brothers,.
i am writing on two matters of major concern to me.. firstly recently i have become aware of the fact that the watchtower society of jehovahs witnesses in new york is associated as an ngo (non governmental organisation) with the department of public information of the united nations organisation.. at first i was very skeptical of the idea , but when i checked it out on the uns web site i found that jehovahs witnesses were indeed listed in partnership with the un.. this is puzzling to me as by belief has been that the un was taught by the faithful and discreet slave to be part of satans political system of things.. here are some quotes from watchtower literature.. *** re 248 34 an awesome mystery solved ***.
the un is actually a blasphemous counterfeit of gods messianic kingdom by his prince of peace, jesus christto whose princely rule there will be no end.. .
Hi Sleepy,
I would have emailed, privately, but your address is locked:
>>It is my understanding that the application to become a NGO was singed by a member of the governing body.<<
The GB member may have "singed", but I suggest that you may have meant "signed" .
Other than that, succinctly put.
LT
hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
Frightmare:
>>They are so constructed that they remain calm until impulses are received from the mind and heart to excite them.The capacity for response is there in the body. It is dormant until stimulated.<<
Where's the mind and heart involved if you're awoken by a randy wife, to find yourself fully erect?
LT
hopefully this topic won't shock anyone, i'll try to keep my comments as tasteful as possible.
just recently (last weekend) my younger brother met with the elders because he was engaged in fornication.
the elders decided to disfellowship him even though he had long stopped having any contact with the person he had been involved with.
MrMoe:
>>Does anybody have any further thoughts on the fornication is different than adultry idea? I look forward to any further insight any of you may have on the subject.<<
Only that you make certain promises and commitments in the marriage vows. The emotional damage, caused by that break in trust, can be considerable.
Cornish makes some good points.
LT
what is truth?.
by roger c. palms.
when someone asks, what is truth?
I've got to say that this thread already contains some fascinating material.
Dungbeetle:
I'd take that walk, but I'm the wrong side of the pond.
It won't stop me conjuring it up in my mind, though.
Lonewolf:
>>Relative Truth Believed Absolutely<<
Now there is the problem.
Like it or not, we are all susceptable to prefering our conclusions and closing our minds to other points of view.
No-one has the monopoly on that attitude, not JW's, atheist's, Fundamentalist's, etc., etc., etc.
I especially liked the apache slant. Sad, but true.
Thanks guys. So far, so good.
LT
about ten years ago jehovahs witnesses were making many converts in the city of rome.
this was quite disturbing to the pope and the italian authorities.
the witnesses can stay.''.
ROFL
Thanks for that, Barry, it's cheered up my weekend.
LT
i know i said i'm leaving this forum, but i had to say just one more thing about why.
please read my post to the thread about personal attacks.
(if you have time and/or interest).. thanks!
Besides, you're feisty when you let rip <vvvvbg>.
LT
i know i said i'm leaving this forum, but i had to say just one more thing about why.
please read my post to the thread about personal attacks.
(if you have time and/or interest).. thanks!
Hi Trouble,
Quote:
"WE WANDER THROUGH THIS LIFE TOGETHER IN A SEMI-DARKNESS IN WHICH NONE OF US CAN DISTINGUISH EXACTLY THE FEATURES OF HIS NEIGHBOR. ONLY FROM TIME TO TIME, THROUGH SOME EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE OF OUR COMPANION, OR THROUGH SOME REMARK THAT HE PASSES, HE STANDS FOR A MOMENT CLOSE TO US, AS THOUGH ILLUMINATED BY A FLASH OF LIGHTNING. THEN WE SEE HIM AS HE TRULY IS."
Nice quote - very poigniant.
I'm staying around for at least a few more flashes, it may enlighten.
LT
hey guys.
i got an idea as to why there is the same bitterness by many/not all, on this board twards christians like there is to dubs.
you feel you have found it to be a crock just as the borg is and it makes you madder than crap to see people duped a second time.
Hi Funky Derek,
Quote:
>> truth:
>> Conformity to fact or actuality.
>> A statement proven to be or accepted as true
Five year old kid finds money under his pillow, on several independantly verifiable ocassions. All references that child is exposed to (i.e. parents) substantiate that this is evidence of "tooth fairy".
We are all children in the grand scheme of things - a mere drop in the ocean of life on a spec of dirt in the universe.
So, as Pilate said - "What is truth?".
I think you'll find human truth changes year by year.
Parallels there with "the truth", perhaps? Hmmmmm.
Quote:
>> fact:
>> Knowledge or information based on real occurrences
>> Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed
>> A real occurrence; an event
Same argument as the one on truth, with the conclusion that "scientific fact changes year by year."
Quote:
>>>>
To my mind it takes as much faith to
>>>> be an atheist as it does a believer.
Should I use the same argument again with referance to "reality"?
Hmmmm.
Reality has a lot to do with perspective and experience, too, even if many people share the same belief (e.g. Britain is huge if you live in it, but tiny if you live in the states).
Time often exposes one years reality to be last years ignorance. Human truth, scientific fact and perceived reality are all relative.
hey guys.
i got an idea as to why there is the same bitterness by many/not all, on this board twards christians like there is to dubs.
you feel you have found it to be a crock just as the borg is and it makes you madder than crap to see people duped a second time.
My point in that statement (which both of you have jumped on) is this:
Atheists put faith in their conclusion that there is no God.
Believers put faith in their conclusion that there is a God.
Everyone puts their faith in something - it's human nature.
More or less faith is irrelevant - I wan't on about quantity.
The quantity of faith is usually proportional to time and zeal of the individual acquiring it.
Like I said at the outset, just my 2p.
LT
"Give me a lever and a place to stand, and I'll move the world"
"Give me a guitar and a microphone, and I'll rock the world"
hey guys.
i got an idea as to why there is the same bitterness by many/not all, on this board twards christians like there is to dubs.
you feel you have found it to be a crock just as the borg is and it makes you madder than crap to see people duped a second time.
Hi Rem,
Sorry about the delay in reply, I just got back from the meeting.
Gotta say that I thought that the material for the third talk on false prophets was a little lame.
This is kinda off and on-thread, nonetheless I'm not the only psedo-intellectual here, so my 2p is worth as much as anyone else's, I guess...
Quote:
>> Does it take as much faith to disbelieve
>> in Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy as it
>> does to believe in them?
Depends on your perspective.
If you're a kid that has no reason to disbelieve them, and has been taught them for a source that they rely upon (i.e. their parents), then you may believe in them.
Please note that I intentionally used the word "believer" to be as encompassing as possible with my statements. I wasn't just addressing dub/Christian belief.
Quote:
>> I have nothing against a concept of god
>> if he/she/it/they exist then that's great.
>> But the problem is that there is no evidence
>> for the existence of any gods.
Erm, okay, so the clockwork and orderly universe and macrocosm don't convince you.
That's fine, but it sure as hell (grave <g>) gives me pause for thought. Again, perhaps we have a differant perspective.
Quote:
>> I contend that atheists have decided to take in
>> more information and have a broader data base from
>> which to draw conclusions. We don't shy away from
>> information that could potentially shatter our world
>> view.
Sorry, I have to state that I find that comment condescending and elitest. Do all atheists really share your view?
Do you have supporting evidence for that contention?
Do you even have polls or statistical information to verify that claim?
Alternatively could it be that you have decided to filter differant information from your senses, reason on it in a differant way, and have come up with a differant (albeit possibly just as plausible) conclusion?
I've had my world view shattered on several ocassions, and have grown from it. I've never shied away from ANY information. I can't say that I've been exposed to ALL information, nor had time to FULLY consider ALL the information that I've been exposed to. Nonetheless, I have been exposed to a quantity of information that I believe sufficient to stake my life and beliefs upon. Likely you have too.
Due to the information that we have come into contact with, and our reaction to it, we have arrived at a differant perspective, and reached a differant conclusion.
But still I absorb more, as I assume that you do...
I'll continue this in the next section, on truth...
